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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Max Little‏ @MaxALittle 4 Jun 2018
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      Modern deep CNNs are unable to generalize over tiny image transformations such as translation, scale, contrary to widespread belief: https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.12177  @filippie509 @GaryMarcus

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    2. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 4 Jun 2018
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      No surprise there. CNNs are only slightly positionally invariant due to the small convolution. Invariance in deep learning must be obtained from the use of huge numbers of training samples. There are always gaps that adversarial techniques can easily uncover.

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    3. vakibs‏ @vakibs 5 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @RebelScience @MaxALittle and

      And what's wrong with having a large number of training samples ?

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    4. Patryk Laurent‏ @paklnet 5 Jun 2018
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      For many use cases, it is impractical to get enough training examples to make up for the fact that CNNs cannot learn anything deep about the images. Better neural network designs exist.

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    5. vakibs‏ @vakibs 5 Jun 2018
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      I am not convinced, honestly. Invariance is over-rated. And I say this as somebody who was a fan of planar homologies and weird shit like that. I consider it better to train the invariance by a well-thought out regime of training data, including probably synthetic data.

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    6. Patryk Laurent‏ @paklnet 5 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @vakibs @RebelScience and

      Invariance isn’t just over-rated, worse: enforcing invariance in a design can actually be harmful to general task performance. Avoid if possible. So I think I agree with you there, and raise you.

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    7. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 5 Jun 2018
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      Come on guys. Invariance is an absolute must. There can be no intelligence without it. The brain does not use lots of training samples to achieve it. The brain uses timing as a glue. Transformations of an object do not break invariance because the brain can predict future states.

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    8. Filip Piekniewski‏ @filippie509 5 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @RebelScience @paklnet and

      But invariance should be learned, not imposed as a prior. That is the point. Different signals have different invariances. Translation is just one of many...

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 5 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @filippie509 @RebelScience and

      why learned?

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        2. Filip Piekniewski‏ @filippie509 5 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @RebelScience and

          Because I don't think we can easily tell what the invariances are that we'd like to put in (particularly higher up in the sensory hierarchy). The system needs to be constructed in a way that would allow for it to pick them up. See ferret cortical rewiring experiment.

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        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 5 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @filippie509 @RebelScience and

          I would think that we need some invariances innately, others to be acquired. If you are talking about Sur’s rewiring experiments, I don’t see the relevance

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        2. Daniel Tung‏ @tytung2020 5 Jun 2018
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          In analogy to DNA and mutations, could it be that the knowledge of invariance is innate, but the mechanism of this hard wiring allows for learning?

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        1. vakibs‏ @vakibs 5 Jun 2018
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          Because this invariance should not be brittle. It should be a robust invariance.

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