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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Chaz Firestone‏ @chazfirestone 3 Jun 2018
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      Chaz Firestone Retweeted Gary Marcus

      Love this reply from @GaryMarcus on what it means for there to be "innate symbol processing" in AI, and why you might want that. Lots of ppl seem to act like it's some bizarre or exotic proposal. No -- innate symbol processing is all around us already!https://twitter.com/garymarcus/status/1003313796851617793 …

      Chaz Firestone added,

      Gary Marcus @GaryMarcus
      Replying to @tyrell_turing
      How about operating systems, word processors, spreadsheets; they are all written in languages that innately incorporate symbols. You got an OS that is end to end neural nets? I’d like to see how reliable it is.
      2 replies 3 retweets 30 likes
    2. todd gureckis‏ @todd_gureckis 3 Jun 2018
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      Excel, OSs don’t seem like “AI” to me. i would be just as happy to use those as examples of what AI is NOT for someone unfamiliar with computing landscape. that’s the big scalable technological win for symbolic AI?

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    3. Chaz Firestone‏ @chazfirestone 3 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @todd_gureckis @GaryMarcus

      right, not to put words in his mouth but I understand @GaryMarcus to be advocating a hybrid approach: rather than completely asymbolic architectures for general AI, the idea is to incorporate the kind of innate symbolic processing that's in that sort of non-general software

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    4. Chaz Firestone‏ @chazfirestone 3 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @chazfirestone @todd_gureckis @GaryMarcus

      so, when people ask, "what do you mean when you say you want us to include innate symbolic processing", the answer is to add in the kind of stuff that's in excel and OSs. (if i understand him right!)

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    5. todd gureckis‏ @todd_gureckis 3 Jun 2018
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      blending best ideas from many places makes a lot of sense. but when i think of the scalable wins for symbolic AI i do come up a bit short, and i don’t consider OS or excel relevant unless symbolic AI now means “anything written in a programming language”. oh hey pytorch!

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    6. Chaz Firestone‏ @chazfirestone 3 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @todd_gureckis @GaryMarcus

      we may be agreeing then, since i too am not saying that excel is symbolic AI!

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    7. Tal Linzen‏ @tallinzen 3 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @chazfirestone @todd_gureckis @GaryMarcus

      it does seem that deterministic rules (with no learning) are the best way to make sure that a system does exactly what its (human) designer expects it to do. the problem is that telling a system exactly what to do hasn't scaled up very well.

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    8. Tal Linzen‏ @tallinzen 3 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @tallinzen @chazfirestone and

      (I'm trying to find the most productive way to think about Excel in this context because I'm also not sure how it's relevant)

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 4 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @tallinzen @chazfirestone @todd_gureckis

      an intriguing learning from data example there is flash fill, which uses (symbolic) inductive logic programming to do a form of extrapolation that eludes deep learning. i discuss and give a reference in my medium post In Defense of Skepticism.

      4:16 AM - 4 Jun 2018
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        1. todd gureckis‏ @todd_gureckis 4 Jun 2018
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          Flash fill over Clippy? He KNEW I was beginning to write a letter! ... i wasn’t 😀. seriously i do like brainstorming about AI that is part of personal computing (emphasis is too often on algorithms applied to big data which isn’t definitional to AI)

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