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    1. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      "It turns out that, all other things being equal, the U.S. is likely to engage in military campaigns for humanitarian reasons that focus on human rights protection rather than for its own security interests such as democracy promotion or terrorism reduction."

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    2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      That's not what the paper's findings actually show. What the findings show is that the case studies suggest HR is the only constant. But, it fails to account for the fact that info regarding security and top secret foreign policy issues is not going to be readily available.

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    3. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire 14 Apr 2018
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      I see. You take issue with the unknowns. We have to rely on known knowns and known unknowns. There’s always going to be that but I think the conclusion still fits.

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    4. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      If they'd said "US govts are more likely to intervene on HR pretexts than security ones", I wouldn't have had a problem. As it is, it makes too many assumptions based on incomplete data, applies quantitative measures to qualitative factors, and draws causation from correlation.

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    5. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire 14 Apr 2018
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      It's a pretty respectable journal and is peer reviewed so I doubt they would publish a piece that's riddled with issues. But if you see it that way, I guess it would be up to you to point out the inconsistencies and perhaps shine a light on it.

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    6. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      Bad papers get published all the time. As for the inconsistencies, I feel I've already pointed them out: the article's authors can't claim that HR is the only constant in govt intentions when they are not privy to those intentions.

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    7. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire 14 Apr 2018
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      I just replied on the above. I do agree that ascribing intentions is a vague territory but accepting that an HR is a constant remains reality.

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    8. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      This is precisely my issue. I'm fine with them saying that the stated aims of most interventions are HR, but not that they are the actual aims. This debate is similar to the Chomsky-Harris one. I normally prefer Harris, but on this one I side with Chomsky. https://samharris.org/the-limits-of-discourse/ …

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    9. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      To illustrate with an example, the correlation between HR abuses and US govt intervention might not be because the US govt cares about HR; it might be because the US govt sees HR violations as an excuse to invade and further US foreign policy.

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    10. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire 14 Apr 2018
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      How does one further a US foreign policy?

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      Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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      Many ways, seizing another country's resources, making another country dependent on US business/aid, creating military alliances, rolling back the influence of hostile powers, etc.

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        2. Claire Voltaire‏ @Claire_Voltaire 14 Apr 2018
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          We did it to Germany, Japan, the soviet etc. Reality remains that it isn’t always a bad thing.

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 14 Apr 2018
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          I have no disagreement with that.

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