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    1. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      I think we disagree on the point at which violations of autonomy by state actors are warranted. I don’t think systems predicated upon the top-down management of human behavior works for the same reasons economies can’t be managed that way: it doesn’t scale and leads to tyranny.

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    2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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      But this is the thing: you advocate punishing people for not obeying laws, yet this is top-down management of behaviour. Freedom is essential to prosperity, but it isn't linear; there reaches a point at which it becomes zero-sum. And let's not forget, Nature is also a tyranny.

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    3. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      The entire point of stating that scalability of intercession is time-sensitive was that it incorporates and addresses all these points. Top-down punishment after the fact, combined with bottom-up culture before it, is the only scalable system that limits our self-tyranny.

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    4. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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      I'd be interested to know what level of weapon you would draw the line at people being allowed to own, and your reasoning for this.

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    5. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      This line of inquiry is fallacious. It’s not a univariate equation dependent upon weapon lethality. I’m not going to engage a line of reasoning artificially constructed to stack the deck. What word constitutes hate speech?

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    6. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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      It's a valid question because we're talking about policy here. I am simply asking you to be more specific about the kind of policy you would favour.

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    7. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      It’s highly contingent and path-dependent. There’s not a universally applicable answer, which is why most people’s knee-jerk responses do more harm than good when dealing with complex systems. But as a thought experiment...

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    8. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      Call X the saturation of weapon ownership. Call Y the lethality of said weapon. Call Z the probability that the weapons will be used in attempts at confiscation. (1-(xy))/z seems like a decent heuristic for success, and therefore whether it’s pragmatic to attempt confiscation.

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    9. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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      That seems like a pretty fanciful policy, heh. How would you possibly measure Y and Z?

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    10. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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      Far less fanciful than sweeping generalizations without even conceptualizing the tradeoffs.

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      Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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      Well, as you know, real-world policy itself requires sweeping generalisations. Nuance at the individual level is unenforceable due to limited time and resources. I believe that guns designed for hunting should be allowed for licensed people, but not semi- or fully-automatic.

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        2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 15 Feb 2018
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          Keep also in mind that a discussion from scratch about ideal gun policy is much different than the question about what new laws in the U.S. could move us in given directions.

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 15 Feb 2018
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          Yes, the talk of ideal gun policy illustrates the desired direction for current gun legislation to move in. I don't believe for one minute that my policy proposals could be enacted any time soon.

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        1. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski 15 Feb 2018
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          I think that’s actually backwards, and one of the reasons why we can’t get any meaningful policy done is because the system has too many grandstanding idealists on both sides of the aisles and too few pragmatists trying to operate in the domain of reality.

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