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    1. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      This is a common misunderstanding of utilitarianism: failure to count side-effects. Properly applied, utilitarianism probably doesn't endorse this murder.

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    2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 29 Jan 2018
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      I note you said "probably". And rightly, too. There are several different interpretations of utilitarianism, and no matter what interpretation I chose, someone would say, "this is a common misunderstanding of utilitarianism". Such is the sacrifice one must make when tweeting.

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    3. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      You're obfuscating. Yes, there are different versions of utilitarianism, but none I know of says "only consider what's right in front of you, ignoring side-effects".

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    4. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 29 Jan 2018
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      Yet even that's open to interpretation. By what metric do you interpret side-effects? How do you conclude that people worrying they might be next on the chopping block is worse than people dying because they can't get the organs they need?

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    5. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      Ease of application is orthogonal to conceptual validity. You're can't get from "utilitarianism is messy in application" to "utilitarianism is wrong in principle". And I still haven't heard you propose an alternative system.

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    6. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 29 Jan 2018
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      Straw man. I'm not saying it's messy in application, I'm saying it's messy in theory. There is no metric by which to measure the greatest happiness of the greatest people, so any morality based on it risks the danger of becoming the morality of the individual instead.

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    7. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      Measurement ease depends on open questions in philosophy of mind, which is why I called it an application question, but not much turns on that label. We can already measure happiness with some accuracy, & this will improve over time. Every system is vulnerable to individual bias.

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    8. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      Finally, I really can only get so far defending utilitarianism against an invisible rival system. One of the best arguments for u-ism is the way it absorbs other systems, which you can see in real time if you ask yourself honestly how you're making your judgments.

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    9. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      By the way, all of these arguments have been discussed at length in the literature already, going back to Bentham: http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/bentham1780.pdf …

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    10. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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      Excerpt from Bentham, link to full text abovepic.twitter.com/JbIZcvmkxc

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      Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 29 Jan 2018
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      Yes, I'm aware of Bentham's work. The way I see it, any utilitarian system must avoid becoming monist (the sole arbiter of right and wrong), and must instead work in tandem with other frameworks, such as the golden rule, and various metrics of well-being conceptual & statistical

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        2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 29 Jan 2018
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          It is a piece of the puzzle, not the whole solution.

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        3. pangolin respecter‏ @EvanSandhoefner 29 Jan 2018
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          It feels like we're almost agreeing, but I would stress that things like the golden rule & multiple metrics of well-being *fit inside* and *are justified by* utilitarianism. They're not bolted on from the outside, because the reason we use them at all *is utilitarian*.

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