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    1. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Except idealism, pre-Cartesianism, Wittgensteinian theology, &c. See where I'm going? Naïve Cartesianism is not current: low-hanging fruit.

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    2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Can you explain how the examples you mentioned do not posit mind-body dualism?

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    3. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Dualism ≠ Cartesianism. Idealism is Monist, so a given. Wittgenstein would talk about language games. Pre-Cartesianism is very diverse.

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    4. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Mind-body dualism = Cartesian. How do Wittgenstein's language games make his "theology" non-Cartesian? And could you give examples of pre-Cartesianist theology that isn't dualist or idealist?

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    5. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Descartes offers particular vr. m-b dualism, Berekeley of monism. Wittgenstein that kinds of claims are dependent on broader language games

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    6. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      I don't think Wittgensteinian linguistics or your other egs, apart from idealism, are a sufficient basis for non-Cartesian religion. But all of this is irrelevant. The original point I wanted to make is that Anglicanism is very much Cartesian, which is why Dawkins attacked it.

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    7. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Sorry for being slow, debating nationalism/racism elsewhere 😓 Anglicanism is not a theology, but a denomination. Berkeley was an Anglican.

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    8. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Right, but Berkeley was 1st & foremost a philosopher, and his ideas are an exception and not a rule within the broad church (hehe) of Anglicanism (or Christianity). Rowan Williams, the leader of the CofE, believes in mind-body dualism. Which is why Dawkins would have attacked it.

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      Williams is a philosopher & theologian & nothing Berkeley said was incompatible with Anglicanism. CoE isn't so uniform or unsophisticated

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      Which is Dawkins problem, he thinks the religious are irrational because he attacks an irrational, generalising caricature of the religious.

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      Dawkins attacked dualism because it is by far the most common philosophy underpinning religion. By doing so he wasn't really caricaturing religion. One could just as easily find irrationality in Berkeley's Christianity as Williams' but at that moment Dawkins was debating Williams

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        2. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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          Watch the debate, I'd say its apparent that he failed to land a hit on Williams, the mainstream CofE or even contemporary Christian theology

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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          I watched it, though it was a while ago. I actually think Dawkins won the debate, and would have won even if he'd said nothing, because the burden of proof rests on the one making the claims, and Williams was the one making the claims.

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