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    1. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Why was it wrong for Dawkins to attack Cartesian dualism?

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    2. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      It was irrelevant; Dawkins attacks weak (often widely rejected) versions of religious belief, ignoring the principle of charity.

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    3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      It wasn't irrelevant, though. It was about as relevant as it gets, because all forms of spiritualism are built on Cartesian dualism.

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    4. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Christianity, true, rejects mind-brain reductionism, but that all forms of spiritualism are built on Cartesian dualism is wrong& ahistorical

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    5. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Fair enough, all forms of spiritualism with the exception of idealism (which comprises a tiny fraction of spiritualism). Anglicanism is very much dualist in nature, which is why Dawkins would have attacked it.

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    6. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Except idealism, pre-Cartesianism, Wittgensteinian theology, &c. See where I'm going? Naïve Cartesianism is not current: low-hanging fruit.

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    7. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Can you explain how the examples you mentioned do not posit mind-body dualism?

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    8. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Dualism ≠ Cartesianism. Idealism is Monist, so a given. Wittgenstein would talk about language games. Pre-Cartesianism is very diverse.

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    9. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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      Mind-body dualism = Cartesian. How do Wittgenstein's language games make his "theology" non-Cartesian? And could you give examples of pre-Cartesianist theology that isn't dualist or idealist?

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    10. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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      Descartes offers particular vr. m-b dualism, Berekeley of monism. Wittgenstein that kinds of claims are dependent on broader language games

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      I don't think Wittgensteinian linguistics or your other egs, apart from idealism, are a sufficient basis for non-Cartesian religion. But all of this is irrelevant. The original point I wanted to make is that Anglicanism is very much Cartesian, which is why Dawkins attacked it.

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        2. Rowan Fortune‏ @RT_Editing 3 Nov 2017
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          Sorry for being slow, debating nationalism/racism elsewhere 😓 Anglicanism is not a theology, but a denomination. Berkeley was an Anglican.

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 3 Nov 2017
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          Right, but Berkeley was 1st & foremost a philosopher, and his ideas are an exception and not a rule within the broad church (hehe) of Anglicanism (or Christianity). Rowan Williams, the leader of the CofE, believes in mind-body dualism. Which is why Dawkins would have attacked it.

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