Gun deaths won't convince NRA-types of need for gun control, for they consider gun deaths an acceptable cost of 2nd amend. Better to show 2nd amend is obsolete, with 2 arguments - US govt is not hostile to its citizens. - If it was hostile to its citizens, guns wouldn't stop it.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
It'll never be obsolete. I'll point you to Catalonia for an example. 2nd,US Gov. is hostile to about half of its citizens at any given time
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Replying to @ShawnMCron
If citizens used guns in Catalonia, it would have just escalated the violence, and the citizens would have lost. Plus, in the US, separation of powers means that the govt could not form a united front against its citizens (if it could, guns wouldn't help the citizens).
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @ShawnMCron
If they were armed in the same manner as US citizens, the Catalans Would now be Independent. You can't use the army against civilians in EU
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Replying to @New_Westphalian @ShawnMCron
Nor can you be armed in the same manner as US citizens. Laws are not independent of each other, so your thought experiment doesn't work.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @ShawnMCron
True enough. But once a populus is armed, if enough of them are willing to fight the government, the numbers win. It's one cop to 1000 civs
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Replying to @New_Westphalian @ShawnMCron
1000 civilians armed with regular munitions are no match for an Apache attack helicopter.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @ShawnMCron
Possibly, but the lesson of Afghan is that an insurgency is hard to put down, even with huge firepower. Requires the will to kill civilians
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If there's no will to kill civilians, the govt wouldn't attack them in the first place.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @ShawnMCron
We're arguing the hypothetical, but the real issue in the US is that removing the firearm totally simply disarms the law abiding only.
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Replying to @New_Westphalian @ShawnMCron
The issue is that they don't need to be armed. All the developed nations that don't have armed populaces prove that.
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