Anyone reputable claim this, now? I did as a youngster, but as my peers have gotten more read, I honestly can't say the last time someone made this mistake.
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There's been a resurgence of the idea among fans of Taleb, Jordan Peterson et al.
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Don’t think it’s a one way street, both are meta-structures (in the way a power set is a meta structure of a set), the interactions and inter-penetrations go both ways. Also, question, how exactly is religion getting any morals from Bruce Willis? Can you explain?
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Not from Bruce Willis specifically. But from cultural norms that exist independently of religion (example: when slavery was acceptable to society, the Bible was used to justify it, but when society deemed slavery unacceptable, the Bible was instead used to justify abolition.)
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I think it’s more like society, culture, religion, and our biology, conspire over thousands of years of iterative cycles to slowly hone our morality. And this process has no finish line.
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Additionally, “gets” is an unhelpfully ambiguous construction. “Religion codifies and reflectively reinforces humanity’s moral intuitions” presents a stronger (and more accurate) conceptual construct against which to opine.
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That, and the overwhelmingly male clergy, scriptural figures, etc.
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Society gets its morals from religion, and religion gets its morals from society. It is possible for them to interact reciprocally, to influence and be influenced by each other.
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