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    1. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 16 Nov 2019
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      “Change comes from within” is a bad heuristic for self-improvement. We evolved to adapt to environmental pressures, so if you wish to develop as a person, develop your surroundings into an environment that will require you to become who you wish to be.

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    2. kaleidoscopic_brain‏ @chrys_aliss 16 Nov 2019
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      But if we're developing our environment into one that would push us to become who we want to be, then we are still the initiator of the chain of events that would eventually lead to our self-improvement ie the thing that triggered the cascade of change still came from within us

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      Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 16 Nov 2019
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      Change only truly comes from within if libertarian free will exists, which I see no evidence for. But even if it does come from within, this fact, on its own, would be a poor philosophy to live by.

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        2. kaleidoscopic_brain‏ @chrys_aliss 16 Nov 2019
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          I don't think(based on my limited understanding of this) that we have strong evidence *against* free will either. Why resort to such absolutism wrt free will vs determinism? I personally find myself leaning towards soft determinism/middle ground. Keeps me happier too!

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 16 Nov 2019
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          *Libertarian* free will is quite illogical. It basically requires a belief in magic (i.e. a mind that can "cause itself").

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        2. Eric Newbury‏ @newbury_eric 17 Nov 2019
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          You don't need to believe in free will for the rebuttal to work. Even if you were designing an non-sentient AI, you could imagine programming it to make determinations about choosing beneficial environmental factors that would be more auspicious causing feedback loops into its...

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 17 Nov 2019
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          The "programming" that you speak of comes from a source external to it (i.e. you), and is thus environmental.

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        1. Professional Managers: Tone Police‏ @Pythagasaurus2 17 Nov 2019
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          It has been proven empirically that behavior changes neural process. It does work to a great degree for alleviating many problems which wreck lives. I don't how many people have the ability to reshape their environment

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        1. Nate Ramacher‏ @naterdogg 17 Nov 2019
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          If we have the ability to “wish to develop as a person" and the ability to "develop your surroundings into an environment that will require you to become who you wish to be", then change did indeed come from within. Any appeal to lack of free will undermines those abilities too.

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        2. formerlyknownasdingobaby‏ @dingobabyboy 16 Nov 2019
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          1. Your metabolism slows down after the age of 40. True change from within. The lack of FW simply means you can’t blame yourself for your slowing metabolism. Similarly, the lack of FW only means you can’t take credit for the ability to change. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it.

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        3. formerlyknownasdingobaby‏ @dingobabyboy 16 Nov 2019
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          2. Lack of FW means you can’t explain why you have the willpower to go to the gym on some days and not on others. It doesn’t mean you will never have the willpower to go or will not develop that willpower over time.

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