A UBI is an economic intervention, making it a left of center policy, at minimum. Some right-wingers have advocated it, meaning that they have conceded some market freedom, making them more left-wing than those who advocate only a Laissez-Faire capitalism
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Replying to @apeirophobic
A UBI is not necessarily a centre-left position. It's been espoused by Friedman et al as a way to shrink the government. And this illustrates why such categorisations as left and right are inadequate in articulating the nuances of modernity.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
In espousing the support for a UBI, he has admitted that the free market does not work, meaning he has conceded his economic framework (whether he admits it or not) and therefore has to harbor economic intervention. This means he has moved left.
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Replying to @apeirophobic @G_S_Bhogal
I think that, contrary to this framework needing to be changed in the modern world, many people actually just need to be educated about the foundations of the framework. It has existed for a reason; it describes an extant binary.
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Replying to @apeirophobic
No it doesn't, it's a classification that *you personally* use to divide the world in two. Most people, including professional economists, would baulk at your assertion that UBI is inherently "left", and they would outright laugh at you calling Friedman "left".
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
I have no respect for most professional economists, so that is not very salient. UBI accepts market intervention and does it in favor of the workers, not the owners, meaning that it is left wing. Also, I didn't say Friedman was left, I said he moved more leftwards.
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Replying to @apeirophobic
UBI also shrinks the government by replacing the welfare state with one that provides no advantage to the disadvantaged, making it a fundamental violation of the left's principle of equality. This situation is nowhere near as clear-cut as your binary makes it out to be.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
UBI does not inherently affect other social programs, although it has been criticized for allowing a space for that. You are attempting to make it seem more complicated in order to prove a point, but it isn't. Economic intervention in favor of the worker = leftism.
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Replying to @apeirophobic
Economic intervention in favour of the small-business owner = rightism. See how easy that is?
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
That very much depends on what the intervention is. In most cases, it would probably be in the benefit of the owner class (the small business owner) and would therefore be a right wing policy. There is no contradiction there. It actually lines up perfectly.
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So, it's right-wing and left-wing, but also only centre-left. Gotcha.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
You did not demonstrate how the government intervening for the benefit of the owner class ever has an overlap with leftism. You tried, but your example failed to demonstrate it A person can be right-wing and advocate a left position. The larger the number, the more left they are
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Replying to @apeirophobic
As I said, I can't argue with you because you have defined Left and Right in your own personal terms. I could just as easily define these words as "pro-equality" and "pro-freedom". Then that would make UBI Right, since it would increase freedom, at the expense of equality.
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