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    1. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      *sigh* This doesn't actually make sense, dude. You have political opinions, they place you on a spectrum. Whether you identify with "the left" or "the right" has no material impact on what stance your political opinions objectively correlate with.

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    2. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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      Where on the spectrum would you place someone who espouses UBI?

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    3. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      A UBI is an economic intervention, making it a left of center policy, at minimum. Some right-wingers have advocated it, meaning that they have conceded some market freedom, making them more left-wing than those who advocate only a Laissez-Faire capitalism

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    4. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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      A UBI is not necessarily a centre-left position. It's been espoused by Friedman et al as a way to shrink the government. And this illustrates why such categorisations as left and right are inadequate in articulating the nuances of modernity.

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    5. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      In espousing the support for a UBI, he has admitted that the free market does not work, meaning he has conceded his economic framework (whether he admits it or not) and therefore has to harbor economic intervention. This means he has moved left.

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    6. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      I think that, contrary to this framework needing to be changed in the modern world, many people actually just need to be educated about the foundations of the framework. It has existed for a reason; it describes an extant binary.

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    7. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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      No it doesn't, it's a classification that *you personally* use to divide the world in two. Most people, including professional economists, would baulk at your assertion that UBI is inherently "left", and they would outright laugh at you calling Friedman "left".

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    8. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      I have no respect for most professional economists, so that is not very salient. UBI accepts market intervention and does it in favor of the workers, not the owners, meaning that it is left wing. Also, I didn't say Friedman was left, I said he moved more leftwards.

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    9. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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      UBI also shrinks the government by replacing the welfare state with one that provides no advantage to the disadvantaged, making it a fundamental violation of the left's principle of equality. This situation is nowhere near as clear-cut as your binary makes it out to be.

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    10. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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      UBI does not inherently affect other social programs, although it has been criticized for allowing a space for that. You are attempting to make it seem more complicated in order to prove a point, but it isn't. Economic intervention in favor of the worker = leftism.

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      Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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      Economic intervention in favour of the small-business owner = rightism. See how easy that is?

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        2. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 1 Sep 2018
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          That very much depends on what the intervention is. In most cases, it would probably be in the benefit of the owner class (the small business owner) and would therefore be a right wing policy. There is no contradiction there. It actually lines up perfectly.

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        3. Gurindoor‏ @G_S_Bhogal 1 Sep 2018
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          So, it's right-wing and left-wing, but also only centre-left. Gotcha.

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