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    foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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    Today's stupid discovery: So the Apple IIgs and the Super Nintendo both use the WDC 65C816 CPU, an enhanced 16-bit 6502 derivative. The CPU starts in 8-bit mode, so it acts exactly like a 6502. You can switch it into 16bit mode, however, there's a problem.

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      2. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        They already added 2 more bits to the CPU's status register for 16-bit mode stuff, and the 6502 used 6 bits... And the status register is only 8 bits! So where do they stuff the "are we in 6502 emulation mode" bit? Do they add a second 8bit status register? NOPE!

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      3. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        For the WDC 65C816, the status register is now a 9-bit register. Yes, 9 bits. How do you manipulate 9 bits on an 8-bit CPU? YOU DON'T!

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      4. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        instead they added a new CPU opcode called XCE: eXchange Carry with Emulation. It just takes the 9-bit status register and swaps the top bit (Emulation) and the bottom bit (Carry).

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      5. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        so since you can't just directly set the status register and affect the 9th bit, you instead set or unset the carry bit and then swap them around to change if the CPU is in 8bit or 16bit mode.

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      6. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        it's such a weird design. Should we expand the status register? add another one? implement some other way to trigger this? NAH FUCK IT, JUST WRITE AN INSTRUCTION TO SWAP AROUND THE CPU'S STATUS REGISTER

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      7. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        fun fact: every SNES game has to have this code at the beginning. Because the SNES boots up in 8-bit mode (as it uses a variant of the WDC 65C816), but all SNES games are 16-bit.

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      8. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        The SNES using the 65C816 also means that Apple was indirectly involved in the design of the SNES: Western Design Center (who designed it) after consulting with Apple on what they wanted for the next series of Apple II computers.

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      9. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        This is why the 65C816 has the 8-bit mode that's compatible with the 6502 (as Apple wanted Apple II compatiblity) but with more RAM. That's why it's natively 16bit, but with a 24bit address bus so it can use up to 16 megabytes of RAM.

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      10. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        But it can drop down into 8bit mode so it can run Apple II software.

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      11. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        And the "start in emulation mode" function means you don't have to have a firmware to put it in the right mode before the CPU turns on. That's pretty important for the SNES, since all the code that runs on the SNES CPU is on the cartridge.

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      12. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        In any case, the SNES uses the Ricoh 5A22, which is a derivative design that adds some functionality the SNES needs, like DMA and reading controller inputs.pic.twitter.com/DJvObt1z42

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      13. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        tangent: So the Apple IIGS is named that because it stands for "Graphics and Sound", as it's got much better graphics and sound over the standard apple II line. The sound is provided by an Ensoniq 5503 DOC wavetable synth

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      14. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        That's the same sound chip that powers the Ensoniq Mirage and the ESQ-1 professional synths.pic.twitter.com/zVdseAfuUK

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      15. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        This sound chip was designed by Robert Yannes, who is better known for designing the MOS 6581/8580 Sound Interface Device, the SID chip that powered the Commodore 64.pic.twitter.com/W2waIKwLaS

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      16. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        Ensoniq was founded in 1983 as Peripheral Visions, by former MOS Tech engineers who had worked on the C64. Their plan was to build their own computer, and to raise funds for this project, they were working on making a computer keyboard for the Atari 2600.

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      17. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        However, something else happened in 1983: The video game market crashed (primarily in the US). So Atari canceled the keyboard project.

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      18. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        On top of that, Commodore sued, claiming they owned the keyboard project So they renamed themselves and pivoted into making synths.

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      19. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        With their first product being the Ensoniq Mirage DSK-1, an affordable sampling synth which had features equivalent to much more expensive samplers.pic.twitter.com/q0KGSIsRuv

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      20. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        Later, in 1998, Ensoniq was acquired by Creative, creators of the Sound Blaster.

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      21. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        So it's a company that started from Commodore and ended up as Creative. Weird. In any case, it's not the only legal trouble related to them... Apple also got sued because of their chip being in the Apple IIgs.

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      22. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        But it wasn't Commodore that sued Apple, this time. It was Apple.

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      23. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        See, there's two companies called Apple, and they've sued each other a few times. They are finally no longer having trouble, but that's rumored to be because one gave half a BILLION dollars to the other.

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      24. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        So what happened is that in 1961, Brian Epstein discovered a liverpool band called The Beatles.He was impressed by them and they discussed him becoming their management, and they signed a 5 year contract.pic.twitter.com/b0FNWClW5f

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      25. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        Around when that contract was running out, Epstein died. The Beatles had been considering how to move foward, and their solution was to found several companies of their own, including Apple Records.

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      26. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        These companies were all subdivisions of the parent company, Apple Corps. Yes, that's a pun.pic.twitter.com/R0KWQ697ov

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      27. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        So, Apple Records wasn't just The Beatles, as they signed a other acts the Beatles discovered or supported. But in any case, after 1969 the various Apple Corps companies were mostly merged, and they were informally known as just "Apple".

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      28. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        importantly one of the divisions that didn't exist after 1969 was Apple Electronics, which meant Apple Corps was mostly associated with music (and occasionally film).

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      29. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        And therefore it wasn't really a problem for three guys in Los Altos California to name their company Apple Computer, Inc, in 1977. Clearly they're distinct areas, so having the same name isn't a problem, right?

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      30. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        Well, no, in 1978 Apple Corps sued Apple Computer, for trademark infringement. That lawsuit continued until 1981, when Apple Computer paid Apple Corps 80,000$ to just drop it, and they laid out some conditions:

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      31. foone‏ @Foone 30. sij
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        1. Apple Computer wouldn't enter the music business 2. Apple Corps wouldn't enter the computer business.

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