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    1. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      Well a general doubt that an ideal fair consensus model of morality and justice is optimal for civilization and progression. Most fair, perhaps. Most advanced/effective? Dubious. I like the woods your exploring, not sure this aggregate is optimal.

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    2. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      So given the premise that it is a jury system that never gets its judgements wrong and always pays out properly judgments would you agree to relinquish immutability to it? We MUST be reasonable. Must!

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    3. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      Never gets judgements wrong relative to its internal structure, an abstraction of the world structure. If I disagree with the moral views of the entire world, should I relinquish my own views, to remain reasonable? Dangers flirting with freedom of thought and the human spirit.

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    4. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      Should the whole world be held hostage to your subjective protest/complaint?

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    5. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      Debatable. Are you going to step in and stop/force/change me? With what enforcement? What about a million me? What if we become a minority with veto rights in the model? Do you fork us off the social chain like the DAO hack?

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    6. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      I think of the possibility of setting the veto threshold requirements in relation to the amount of stolen property such that the thieves can't hope to gain from paying for veto power etc.

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    7. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      Interesting. Doesnt combat too big to fail institutional theives, and geopolitical cabals from undue influence. Especially entering a hyper consumeristic attention economy.

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    8. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      You think the governments will get together to collude against the system?

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    9. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      People within governments with self interest and powers to protect. You think they won't?

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    10. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      To be meaningful it would have to be US cooperating with China and each in turn with Russia and so on. North Korea, South Korea etc...is this what you suggest could happen? That this is a danger in regard to mutability movements?

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      Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      I'm still not sure this whole model is ideal for society and advancement. It may be morally ideal, and truly just within its own self defined goals, but I think we departed a few steps back. I'm still always interested in fleshing out your ideas.

      11:27 AM - 16 May 2018
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        2. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          It is morality defined by 'that which we all agree on' it is hardly a definition one could reasonably disagree with.

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        3. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          I may not disagree with your definition, but still be doubtful of its optimization/value as an instrument of changing bitcoin immutability, or concerned with tradeoffs. Whats wrong with currently immutable model?

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        4. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          It will give nefarious people enormous amounts of power if the market cap usurps gold. For that reason I think bitcoin cannot grow to such levels without muting the stolen coins.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          Valid. I like that your thinking towards a solution. Look forward to reading more.

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        6. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          We could think about the effects on the psychology of the thieves as the community started to embrace a threat of such policy.

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        7. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi @FluidFluxation

          See people call for seperation of money and state @NickSzabo4 shows such a separation between law and money to be essentially absurd.

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