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    1. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16

      IF we had an ideal justice institution that was never wrong and never corruptible in its morality judgements it would be foolish not to give it control of bitcoin mutability. What is more ideal than a jury of our peers?

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    2. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      That's a big ideal. Easier to make maths, protocols and code idea, than humans. Especially given such widely different stances on what is justice. I think ideal money is a more unifiable concept than ideal people/judgement.

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    3. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
      Replying to @FluidFluxation

      We learn from Smith's Toms there is no higher moral judge than the impartial observer, and the most impartial observer we have is the aggregate of our society. IOW if no minority vetos, and minorities have veto power, then the decision cannot be said to be immoral/unjust.

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      Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
      Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

      Depending on how minority and veto exist in this model, sure. But if its liberal enough to be an all inclusive aggregate, you will never have a no veto situation on matters like bitcoin immutability.

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        2. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          I think what you said is it would have to appease many many people for a case to be decided that muting is just which I think is the perfect protection versus any complaint of "starting a bad precedent".

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        3. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          Sure once the proposal is adopted and youve somehow solved implementation/enforcement of it. If min/veto ideal justice structure exists prior, I would veto such effort to bring bitcoin under the structures control.

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        4. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          Based on the morality of what principle? Keeping in mind you would have an ideal justice system.

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        5. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          Well a general doubt that an ideal fair consensus model of morality and justice is optimal for civilization and progression. Most fair, perhaps. Most advanced/effective? Dubious. I like the woods your exploring, not sure this aggregate is optimal.

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        6. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          So given the premise that it is a jury system that never gets its judgements wrong and always pays out properly judgments would you agree to relinquish immutability to it? We MUST be reasonable. Must!

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        7. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          Never gets judgements wrong relative to its internal structure, an abstraction of the world structure. If I disagree with the moral views of the entire world, should I relinquish my own views, to remain reasonable? Dangers flirting with freedom of thought and the human spirit.

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        8. Jal (aka Juice)‏ @SoakerPatoshi May 16
          Replying to @FluidFluxation

          Should the whole world be held hostage to your subjective protest/complaint?

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        9. Will  🗣️  🌐‏ @FluidFluxation May 16
          Replying to @SoakerPatoshi

          Debatable. Are you going to step in and stop/force/change me? With what enforcement? What about a million me? What if we become a minority with veto rights in the model? Do you fork us off the social chain like the DAO hack?

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