Happy to clarify, sorry it wasn't clear. I'm speaking specifically about "Superman movie for people who hate Superman."
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All a statement like that does is turn anyone who likes the film into an "other." It is essentially saying that BvS Superman fans are not "real" Superman fans.
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To tell someone they hate a character for liking a movie, is such a strange way to have an analytical conversation, and I frankly stopped reading the article at that point.
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As for "typical," when you've read the discourse for the film over the past 5 years (8 if you want to include MoS), this analysis and the tactic is absolutely nothing new. I understand that you all may not be as experienced in the DCEU discourse, however.
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And, Hulk, I appreciate you offering the scene-by-scene breakdown and your general availability to discuss topics with your followers, but I don't think it'll do much to help me see your POV better -- we just read the film differently.
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And let me reiterate, it's fine we don't see it the same way -- I'm certainly used to it, but I'm just disappointed with the sameness of the discussion and the divisive way it was approached.
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Thank you for the clarification! But I'll still say this is the sort of thing that leaves us stuck- Because as much as I'm tapping into 5 years of reactions, I think there's a valid reason for that sameness / commonality of this opinion and why so many of us react like this...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @krummbum and
And it's because we all see the same really, really, really ugly messaging in this film. It's just so dang present. Like, its hard to unsee it? Or certainly very hard to ignore. If our way of talking about feels strident, I really am sorry, but...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @krummbum and
I promise it's mostly a reaction to how much of the movie itself feels strident, ugly, and offensive. To us, the movie itself is really drawing the "divisive" line first, ya know? Again, I really don't know how to unsee it. But...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @krummbum and
I realize the way the wording of "for people who hate superman" can indeed separate us- and i promise it's not meant to be exclusionary like that. It's more just that I really think THE MOVIE hates superman, ergo, the belief the fans of the movie would too. But!
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I understand how that's reductive and apologize - So what I hope the rest of the article can at least approximate is that it's not so much hating superman, it's hating a certain kind of superman...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @krummbum and
Like I think Snyder likes his dark version of the character because of the way he relates to the character's power thru fear, etc. But again, I say why I think that's a reductive way of seeing that character and I really don't know what to say otherwise...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @krummbum and
I think there's a valid reason so many people react to the film this way. And going outside of that isn't so much a problem of entertaining difference of opinion, it's that it would feel ignoring those really pressing issues we see inside it.
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