What do you think about the idea that aliens in SIGNS aren't invaders, they're refugees? And that what we're shown is the main characters' xenophobia from their own pov?
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Replying to @TontonPogo
i think theres nothing in the text to support that
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK
Well, the painting of the aliens as invaders are done by a military figure and the media for instance, the aliens themselves are never shown to do more than seek shelter, their acts of violence are only told by other characters Not saying it's willingly text, but it holds water
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Replying to @TontonPogo
1. but we're still talking about complete and total projection. you need text. it's integral to all semiotics. everything else is conjecture. 2. *snicker* ... water.
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK
Isn't, say, the choice of presenting the aliens' violence only through media and hearsay part of the text? And you take refuge where you can, not where you want. The water thing makes much more sense to me as a make-do than an invasion with a pre planed strategy
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Replying to @TontonPogo
I think that presenting is entirely coincidental to the point of m. night purely wanting to hide the alien IRL until the final confrontation - where it absolutely threatens to kill the kid in front of them. There's a difference between fun conjecture and willful bending.
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK
Oh yeah I have no idea whether it actually was m. Night's intentions or just a nice coincidence this kinda of works but... All we're actually seeing is the alien spraying something to a kid already having an asthma attack They don't even defend themselves when hit by a bat
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Replying to @TontonPogo @FilmCritHULK
If the theme of the movie actually was "our xenophobia makes us mistake someone asking for help for an enemy" I'd fit the general theme And given it was the bush era, the fact that xenophobia wins at the end would fit too
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Replying to @TontonPogo
If???? Dude, I feel crazy. Like that's not the theme of the thing at all (which is all tied up and fate and theme) and also im pretty sure it was filmed before 9/11 and written even before he was elected. What are you doing.
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK
Okay okay it's flimsy I was just shooting the shit about a reading of signs I found interesting and thought hold more water that it seems to do, sorry if I wasted your time
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Sorry if i got pedantic, too - I think the real thing i just want to hammer in is that it really is a fun "what if" thing to think about at the seams of this movie - but when it comes extending those arguments to semiotic text, we really do need that core evidence rather than...
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK @TontonPogo
pure circumstantial. And hey, m. night could come out tomorrow and be like "yes that movie was totally about that!" - this argument is just about the process of semiotics and that alone. Be well <3
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Replying to @FilmCritHULK
Yeah, that's why I asked, I think. As a reading it feels surprisingly like it fits, but I can't find anything that'd tell me "this is beyond a doubt absolutely what it's about". Thanks for your time and take care
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