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Human, student, non-Buddhist Buddhist, intellectual masochist. Confident only of my own ignorance. Don't believe anything I say.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and

      Yes, there are evil cults that plunge the other half of the world into centuries of darkness, and wise religions that enlighten my half of the world with centuries of insight. :)

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    2. Michael Garfield  🌿‏ @michaelgarfield May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and

      That sounds very black and white - and if I'm not mistaken, tolerance for ambiguity is a hallmark of Kegan's stage 4 and (even more so) stage 5...

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and

      Yes, you easily discover that there is not a single valid narrative but a map of possible truths. But the ambiguity does not extend to "perhaps we can go back to Newtonian physics" or "perhaps people talking to burning bushes have access to a deeper level of cosmic truth".

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      I don't think anyone was advocating talking to a burning bush - that's pretty clearly reductio ad absurdum. Just because a system has some obviously false elements doesn't mean that the entire system, or the people who use the system, have nothing else to offer.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      Obviously. They just don’t have any claim to the null hypothesis.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @Failed_Buddhist and

      Also, if someone rapes the mind of a student by imprinting untruth, I perceive them as fundamentally confused or violating my first moral principles by removing moral agency from someone who trusts them. I won’t trust such authority any more than a pig should trust the butcher.

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    7. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      Um... I don't disagree with that. Are we talking about specific gnostic practices, or the crazies who tend to teach them? Those are two different conversations. Newton was as close to a quack as anyone. Yet calculus is one of the greatest discoveries/inventions in human history.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      I don't think that an idea can be tainted by the one who has it. But by the same account, no idea can be accepted without having a pretty good idea about why it should be treated as truth.

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    9. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      That's correct - I wasn't arguing otherwise. (And by the same token, you can't judge the validity of an experiential claim (e.g. if use your attention in X way, you will observe Y result) until you've followed those instructions.)

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    10. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

      The teaching of practices is of course a very different thing than the teaching of ontological, moral or ethical precepts.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
      Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

      My claim is that there are practices that can give you access to observations that cannot be accessed by looking through a scanning electron microscope, carrying out a statistical analysis, or deriving a conclusion from a set of axioms.

      6:31 PM - 3 May 2018
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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

          Absolutely, and each observation has to be explained. The frame of the explanation itself cannot be generated by divine revelation.

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        3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
          Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

          Explanations are constrained by language. Some things can't be understood no matter how well it's explained (e.g. what a headache feels like). The issue with mystics is they try to explain gnostic knowledge in the same terms physicists explain electrons. This causes confusion.

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        4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and

          Ex: Claims made in Vipassana are inherently experiential. Thus they can only be understood by experience. Nothing divine about it. In vipassana, you learn the nature of experience. In science, you learn how physical systems behave/function. They are completely separate projects.

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        5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

          I tend to disagree. Science is simply the systematic, criticizable pursuit of knowledge. The nature of experience is a kind of knowledge, and separation is not the right way. Vipassana may have a scientific and a practical and a cultural aspect.

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        6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
          Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and

          That's actually a fair point, and I happen to think that vipassana is a scientific practice, insofar as what you're doing is testing empirical hypotheses about the nature of mind. The methods of experimental methodology are just different from those of "Western" science.

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        7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 3
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @michaelgarfield and

          Yes, and I don’t think there is Western and Eastern science, only bad and good science. The deference to authority (scholasticism) is usually a sign of bad science, as are emphasis on consensus and preservation of tradition.

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        1. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist May 3
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and

          Not all so-called gnostic knowledge is ontological, moral or ethical.

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