@Meaningness is the only one I'm aware of who's actively trying to solve this issue.
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Replying to @MimeticValue @michaelgarfield and
No he doesn't. He jumped into the septic tank and then devoted his life's work to disinfecting as much as he can. But I don't see the point in jumping into the septic tank if you want to get clean, other than as a spectacle for others that want to study cleaning techniques.
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Septic tank maintenance, as you put it, and legitimate tantra that doesn't mind hanging out in the charnel grounds and embraces the fullness of human experience...how can you be sure you know the difference?
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @Plinz and
I don't see this as an issue to be solved. There are a lot of people, however, working to dispel the toxic misunderstanding that science and spiritual inquiry are incompatible. Many of them work from within their native religion, many have abandoned all trappings of religion.
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Replying to @michaelgarfield @MimeticValue and
You cannot find truth while using a gnostic interface. Religion is an interface to destroy the ability to find truth, in the service of social order.
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Replying to @Plinz @michaelgarfield and
How do you define "religion" in this context?
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Replying to @MimeticValue @michaelgarfield and
Religion refers to - charismatic narratives that install a social OS on the host mind (teachings), - the stance of the host (faith, submission, identification), - the maintenance institution (church), - the resulting cult itself (religiously permeated society or subculture).
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
You can arbitrarily assign the label "religion" to any entire system and then use this definition of religion to assert that the system is useless or dangerous. I don't think any of these bullet points describe the aspects of tantra that people like
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @MimeticValue and
I did not do that! Religion is neither useless nor just dangerous. It is simply the way most of our civilization was organized for most of the time, and provided the structure in which most people still think today. I don't claim that everyone should adopt my feeble ways instead!
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
Alright, thanks for clarifying. You also said: >You cannot find truth while using a gnostic interface. Can you elaborate?
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As far as I'm concerned you can't find truth using any interface, gnostic or otherwise. Gnostic systems, and their practices, can be useful for learning to be better at being system-fluid, and for suffering less. Rationality is useful for constructing and modifying systems.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Plinz and
Both have down sides too: Gnosticism alone is bad at constructing new and innovative systems. Rationality alone leaves the risk open to getting attached to specific systems and thinking that an individual system can ever be complete. They are complimentary, not contradictory.
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