every nervous system is different, and i think "waking up" is different for everyone .. even "being awake" is different for everyone, different siddhis, different expressions ..
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Replying to @gregorylent @euvieivanova
Agreed. Yet there are paths and commonalities. A lot of people seem to follow something fairly recognizably the Buddhist 4 stage path, for example.
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recognizing that you are not your ego/personality/conditioning and actually getting significantly free of it are two different stages. You hit the first one, and you think it included the second. But it didn't. (There are reputedly cases where both happen at once.)
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Maybe a little bit of the second was included in the first, in some cases. But most of the time, the second just keeps getting cleared out more and more completely forever. It's very easy to imagine you're much more free of your conditioning than you actually are.
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The process of actively deconstructing & destroying belief systems and other conditioning has been the particularly lengthy and unpleasant part.
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Replying to @euvieivanova @OortCloudAtlas and
This is true for me as well. Especially when you start to see beliefs and conditioning fucking everywhere, it can get overwhelming. Belief might be somewhat easier to work with, but virtually nothing is independent of conditioning.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @euvieivanova and
You can't fully escape conditioning unless you're unconscious; you can only get better at recognizing it in real time, and loosening its grip. That's not to say you can't shed specific conditions -- but you'll always be replacing it with other conditions.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @euvieivanova and
A lot of people seem to think you can reduce the amount of conditioning. Can't get rid of it entirely, of course, but it does feel like I just have less.
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Replying to @iwelsh @euvieivanova and
Any functional human mind has to be conditioned by something, because nothing is independent of conditions. I agree that when you recognize that conditions are not you, then you can reduce or change them, though a lot of conditioning is biological/evolutionary.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @euvieivanova and
even a lot of the bio/evo stuff alters and activates or deactivates based on mental events. This stuff is becoming clear in the scientific literature, slowly.
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Right. Craving is biological, yet it's possible to reduce or even stop craving. Fear is an interesting one. I'd guess that you can't eradicate it and it never arises, but when it does arise you can turn it off at will. That's still not total freedom from conditioning, though.
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