Still, there is beauty (and meaning) in complexity, even when confronting the tragedy of life.. The answer lies in esthetics.
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That's true. And yet, there is no amount of beauty and meaning that can circumvent the brute and obvious reality of suffering. In fact, the only reason we invent beauty and meaning at all is to deny and distract ourselves from suffering.
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True, beauty or meaning can’t cancel out suffering, they’re entirely different categories.. That said, it’s also true that different experiences can change the character of our life, and even give us a clue as to how we could develop a different relationship with (our) Suffering.
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I agree with that. It's a wonderful freak accident that it happens to be possible to change our relationship with suffering.
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Freak is the right word...
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It seems that humanity is the continuation of a cosmic evolutionary process that started with the big bang. If all the processes that created us, deem us worthwhile, who are we to argue that we're not?
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Nobody gets to decide whether your own experience is worthwhile - not even some vague and abstract cosmic evolutionary process. By no will of our own, humans simply find ourselves as existing, experiencing beings who suffer. This is the only thing we can know with certainty.
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Sorry for using vague terms I've never described. Of course everyone is sovereign and has their right of choice. But also no one is separate from everything else and never has been. "We exist" because the sun(heat), the plants(oxygen and food), evolution and the big bang.
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Indeed. Everything is interrelated, and nobody is apart from nature in any fundamental sense. We're stuck with experience, and we don't have to make any value judgments about that, in either direction.
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The question "Is life worth the suffering?" is actually very good and profound one. It's the answer that "it's not worth the suffering" that is dangerous because it almost always leads to a worldview and behaviors that increase the suffering and make matters worse for everybody.
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Sam Harris did a good podcast with an “anti-natalist” philosopher which asked this question in a lot of depth.
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Yes, I enjoyed that discussion a lot!
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