what does the benefit of beings have to do with the existence of a persistent self?
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Replying to @chagmed @impermanen_ and
I don't mean to tread water. I am going back to the Lazar, 2006 study I cited on the limitations of this index (which the current authors omit to cite.) They conclude that this index is not indexing "fear" but rather basic underlying human concern towards these constructs.
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Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @chagmed and
Thus, Garfield's results are interesting however, as Lazar already predicts, Garfield is simply showing Buddhist have greater concern of these constructs; fear, anxiety, death,. Which is not novel. These findings discussed by Lazar's methodology would be more revealing.
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Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @chagmed and
Do you have the Lazar paper. My take on the paper: interesting and worthwhile exploration. Nonetheless, not enough differentiation between belief and experience. And anata is not just a lack of persistence to self, but an experience of self-less-ness in the moment.
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Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and
In addition, I don't see enough subtlety about the relative aspects of self, their relative continuity, and the direct perceiving of no-self in a more absolute sense. I can experience myself as episodically constant in a relative sense and still experience no-self both.
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Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and
I note in the discussion some confusion about Milarepa's experience of grief as a result of the death of his mother. In no way does no-self absolve us of grief in relationship to loss, and to think so is to make a category error. We may be more capable of grief.
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Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and
A lack of capacity for grief would make Milarepa more of a robot or a schizoidal than a yogi. I think they are missing out on what the ends are, which I don't see as an absence of emotion, but as a liberation of capacity.
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Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and
the Milarepa section of the conclusion is problematic, but what did you make of the unwillingness to give up medicine for the benefit of others?
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Replying to @chagmed @faustroll and
This is actually what stood out to me the most about the research. I would have guessed that they would at least lie about it if that's how they felt. Perhaps they value radical honesty over radical compassion.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @chagmed and
Fascinating. I can't remember the paper right now but I do remember that I questioned the value of this kind of survey question study.
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Agreed. I think the authors don't have a very good understanding of Buddhism, or at least not much of an experiential understanding. This is common in a lot of academic and scientific investigations of meditation.
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