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Human, student, non-Buddhist Buddhist, intellectual masochist. Confident only of my own ignorance. Don't believe anything I say.

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    1. jms‏ @fuzzylogic8250 Jan 22
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @impermanen_ and

      Thus far, I am not surprised at all by the results. Previous literature report that Asian populations score higher on average on this particular index. That was not cited in the introduction. It should have been as it bears on the predictability of the results.

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    2. jms‏ @fuzzylogic8250 Jan 22
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @impermanen_ and

      From the discussion: "On the Buddhist tradition, there is no self, so one should not fear its future disappearance." This is a very superficial assumption. Dharma practice has a strong focus on intention/action towards the benefit of future beings.

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    3. Chāgmé‏ @chagmed Jan 22
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @impermanen_ and

      what does the benefit of beings have to do with the existence of a persistent self?

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    4. jms‏ @fuzzylogic8250 Jan 22
      Replying to @chagmed @impermanen_ and

      I don't mean to tread water. I am going back to the Lazar, 2006 study I cited on the limitations of this index (which the current authors omit to cite.) They conclude that this index is not indexing "fear" but rather basic underlying human concern towards these constructs.

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    5. jms‏ @fuzzylogic8250 Jan 22
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @chagmed and

      Thus, Garfield's results are interesting however, as Lazar already predicts, Garfield is simply showing Buddhist have greater concern of these constructs; fear, anxiety, death,. Which is not novel. These findings discussed by Lazar's methodology would be more revealing.

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    6. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Jan 22
      Replying to @fuzzylogic8250 @chagmed and

      Do you have the Lazar paper. My take on the paper: interesting and worthwhile exploration. Nonetheless, not enough differentiation between belief and experience. And anata is not just a lack of persistence to self, but an experience of self-less-ness in the moment.

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    7. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Jan 22
      Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and

      In addition, I don't see enough subtlety about the relative aspects of self, their relative continuity, and the direct perceiving of no-self in a more absolute sense. I can experience myself as episodically constant in a relative sense and still experience no-self both.

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    8. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Jan 22
      Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and

      I note in the discussion some confusion about Milarepa's experience of grief as a result of the death of his mother. In no way does no-self absolve us of grief in relationship to loss, and to think so is to make a category error. We may be more capable of grief.

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    9. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Jan 22
      Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and

      A lack of capacity for grief would make Milarepa more of a robot or a schizoidal than a yogi. I think they are missing out on what the ends are, which I don't see as an absence of emotion, but as a liberation of capacity.

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    10. Chāgmé‏ @chagmed Jan 22
      Replying to @faustroll @fuzzylogic8250 and

      the Milarepa section of the conclusion is problematic, but what did you make of the unwillingness to give up medicine for the benefit of others?

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      Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 13
      Replying to @chagmed @faustroll and

      This is actually what stood out to me the most about the research. I would have guessed that they would at least lie about it if that's how they felt. Perhaps they value radical honesty over radical compassion.

      9:11 PM - 13 Apr 2018
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        2. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Apr 13
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @chagmed and

          Fascinating. I can't remember the paper right now but I do remember that I questioned the value of this kind of survey question study.

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        3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Apr 14
          Replying to @faustroll @chagmed and

          Agreed. I think the authors don't have a very good understanding of Buddhism, or at least not much of an experiential understanding. This is common in a lot of academic and scientific investigations of meditation.

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        2. Chāgmé‏ @chagmed Apr 14
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @faustroll and

          radical honesty? no way. another possibility: if it manifests for you, it's due to your merit. if that other person had the merit, it would manifest for them. but it didn't.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Chāgmé‏ @chagmed Apr 14
          Replying to @chagmed @Failed_Buddhist and

          note: I am describing a view of causation prevalent in some cultures; I am neither advocating it nor providing an apologia for such a view

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        4. JG Faust‏ @faustroll Apr 14
          Replying to @chagmed @Failed_Buddhist and

          Do you think another possible translation for merit could be capacity?

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        5. Chāgmé‏ @chagmed Apr 14
          Replying to @faustroll @Failed_Buddhist and

          yes

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        6. jms‏ @fuzzylogic8250 Apr 14
          Replying to @chagmed @faustroll and

          Merit is interesting. It was originality developed out of the idea that laypeople who did not have fortune or will to take up the robe & bowl to meditate could support and sustain those who did. As Buddhism was popularized merit became a replacement or requisite for meditation

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