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Human, student, non-Buddhist Buddhist, intellectual masochist. Confident only of my own ignorance. Don't believe anything I say.

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    1. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      Just deny that no-experience is conceivable.

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    2. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @mattguttmanorg

      Was just now thinking along similar lines. It may be that much of the tortured metaphysics we hear from nibbana pundits past and present is motivated by worry that they'll scare away their students if they say it clearly. So they say no-experience is not conceivable.

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    3. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      We're on firmer ground when we stick to phenomenology: Is there experience of nibbana-without-remainder or not? Some say yes, some say no. For the yea-sayers, they'll have to explain the mechanism for experience after death. For the nay-sayers, it's easy... lights out, mofo.

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    4. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      I have almost no context for what you’re talking about. I came at Taoism/Buddhism from analytic philosophy. I’m just expressing straightforward panpsychim. No-experience really is inconceivable. Nirvana is just letting sense-inputs skip discursive / analytic channels.

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    5. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @mattguttmanorg

      Is no-experience inconceivable? I go to sleep every night, and it seems to me upon later reflection that for some part of that time I was not dreaming, just unconscious. I have no trouble conceiving of unconsciousness, aka lack of subjective experience.

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    6. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      For context, there are two kinds of nibbana. (1) "nibbana with remainder," accessed while still alive. (2) "nibbana without remainder," which is what happens when an "awakened" person dies. I say those who believe the latter includes experience have some 'splaining to do.

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    7. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I don’t think that “alive” and “dead” are meaningful within a Taoist / Buddhist context as I understand it. Those are just abstract forms. Lots of the popular “rebirth” and “karma” and “nirvana” notions are just folk spiritualism.

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    8. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @mattguttmanorg

      Yes, just folk spiritualism, and I find this fascinating because people who are otherwise rigorous rationalists will often allow themselves this last bastion of magical thinking. And they'll even fight about it! We're all a bunch of nuts.

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    9. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      Evolution selects for and perpetuates self-clinging.

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    10. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 19
      Replying to @mattguttmanorg

      Non-clingers are terrible at reproducing.

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      Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 19
      Replying to @KennethFolk

      Maybe the karmic cycle is a metaphor for natural selection. Wanna escape natural section? Beat it at its own game.

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        2. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 19
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @KennethFolk

          Natural selection, like physics or mind, encompasses the universe and cannot be escaped.🙃

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        3. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Mar 20
          Replying to @mattguttmanorg @Failed_Buddhist

          I don’t know what that means.

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        4. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Mar 20
          Replying to @KennethFolk @Failed_Buddhist

          Not sure how else to explain. 🤔 You can’t ‘escape’ evolution in the same way that you can’t ‘escape’ physics. They are abstractions if the world.

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        2. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 19
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @KennethFolk

          Indeed, my take on karma/rebirth is that it’s a ‘folk theory’ of evolution. With one problem: it’s a Hindu/Buddhist story of evolution of the Individual, not the Species.

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        3. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 19
          Replying to @shaunbartone @Failed_Buddhist @KennethFolk

          Modern science is that Species evolve, not individuals.

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