Nagarjuna suggested we collapse the distinction between 'conventional' and 'ultimate' truth altogether. Ultimate truth can then be thought of simply as the negation of conventional truths. So "ultimate" is ultimately just as empty as the conventional. Nothing special about it.
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ultimate truth is a synonym of gnosis/wisdom/emptiness. it is very useful. wisdom cuts through the seemingly solidity of conventional phenomena. this isn't some mystical nonsense. it's readily applicable to suffering.
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I agree! It's useful precisely insofar as it helps one cut through conventional phenomena, or loosens attachment to them. What I'm criticizing is the temptation to form attachment to the ultimate truth; that usually involves turning it into something metaphysical or conventional.
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Dzogchen discourages attachment to emptiness, no?
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Agreed. To reify wisdom/emptiness into a "thing" is a grave error. And indeed, dzogchen emphasizes the inseparability of the two truths. There is no partiality towards emptiness, nor for form, nor for nirvana, nor against samsara.
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