Shinzen was making the point that not all people with a deep awakening are good @ teaching it to others. He would use JK as the prime example. His point is that while it’s true that there’s nothing to get and nowhere to go, you still have to give people something to hang onto.
-
-
Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @iwelsh and
Excellent clarification. Thank you sir.
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
As for the go-to definition of classic awakening, the short version is that you realize that there’s no such thing inside you as a self. There’s much more after that, but that’s considered the basic “qualification.” (And, yes, I’m aware of all that’s problematic @ that def.)
1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Yeah, the other version (same thing, differently stated) is realizing "I'm just the witness". Which you get seems to depend on your tradition/previous learning/framing. Or that's my understanding, I am (probably) willing to defer. But awakening is not enlightenment.
2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @iwelsh @OortCloudAtlas and
What's the difference between awakening and enlightenment, in your view?
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @OortCloudAtlas and
awakening is when you get your first experiential proof that you are not all that crap. So, for example, my first awakening got me "I am not my personality". Didn't get me "I am not my body." Further awakenings got me other stuff.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @iwelsh @Failed_Buddhist and
as for enlightenment. /shrug/ there are a fair number of definitions that seem reasonable "I am everything/nothing", Jiva-mukti (end of new conditioning), the dissolving and reassembly of sense data, etc... Not sure which is "enlightenment". Am sure I am not enlightened.
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @iwelsh @Failed_Buddhist and
however, other people use the words in other ways, and I am not saying they are wrong. This is just how I used them. I will say that this causes problem. My first main teacher told me I was enlightened. I said "uh, don't think so". He meant what I mean by awakened.
2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @iwelsh @OortCloudAtlas and
Let's not forget that "enlightenment" is a late western translation of "bodhi", which is also exactly where the term "awakening" comes from. So the distinction is, at best, a little murky. There isn't even a consensus among Buddhists as to what the Buddha "woke up" from (or to).
3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @iwelsh and
Hey Ian, I found your blender
pic.twitter.com/YeTADkiu511 reply 0 retweets 1 like
Blender? I'm unsure as to whether that's complimentary or derogatory.
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.