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Human, student, non-Buddhist Buddhist, intellectual masochist. Confident only of my own ignorance. Don't believe anything I say.

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    1. Texcendentialist‏ @SonOfEmerson Mar 1

      “Don’t recall. Let go of what has passed. Don’t imagine. Let go of what may come. Don’t think. Let go of what is happening now. Don’t examine. Don’t try to figure anything out. Don’t control. Don’t try to make anything happen. Rest. Relax, right now, and rest.” -Tilopa

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    2. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
      Replying to @SonOfEmerson

      I've always been conflicted about instructions like this. On the one hand, if one can actually let go - and I mean let go absolutely - then freedom will indeed come instantly. Yet for most people, even experienced meditators, letting go absolutely is extremely difficult.

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Mar 2
      Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      The sudden/gradual, immanence/distinction tensions have gone on for a long long time....explored quite brilliantly by Sam Van Schaik (and others, I'm sure). May be less conflicting if one is able to take the pointers, not as a way to be free 'instantly', but as a way of training

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    4. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
      Replying to @misen__ @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      The problem, seen over and over again, is that most students really, utterly fail at that. There are better ways to get from there to here, IMO, especially for people expressly conditioned to cling to everything. If you can integrate into the culture, say a Zen temple, OTOH...

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    5. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
      Replying to @Triquetrea @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      The inability to recognize the cultural contingents of practice is a problem that repeats over, over and over again. The failure of yoga in the West is a good example. Buddhism, too.

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    6. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Mar 2
      Replying to @Triquetrea @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      Interesting point - please say more.

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    7. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
      Replying to @misen__ @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      I am in the fortunate position of being two links of association away from many of those tasked with this stuff; too far to be entangled, close enough to understand broad strokes. You can't just bring the practice into a foreign culture. It won't "click". Too much baggage. E.g.:

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    8. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
      Replying to @Triquetrea @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

      - Metta, compassion and love-based yogic practice DO NOT WORK for majority of westerners. - Social structure inimical to gurus, ashram, sangha etc. Those that flourish often (really often) are cults. - Scientism vs. mysticism; porting language is hard, stuff lost in translation.

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      Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
      Replying to @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

      Well said. Your last bullet point is especially important, perhaps one of the biggest obstacles to Buddhism in the West. It certainly delayed my practice for a while as a skeptic without any understanding of the subtleties and nuances of dharma.

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        2. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

          Mmh. I don't think cloaking it in scientific language is a clear-cut victory, either. A lot of these ideas *are* mystical or existential. Why lie?

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        3. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
          Replying to @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

          Not necessarily scientific language - that often produces disastrous results that end up backfiring (see plethora of quantum woo on the market). Just more practical language that is in harmony with a scientific understanding (ala Wright or Harris).

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        4. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

          Problem is that Buddhists are, ironically, too attached to Buddhism, and any attempt to employ skillful means is considered heresy.

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        5. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

          It's almost as if declaring yourself a Buddhist is about as authentic and useful as, say, declaring yourself a Christian. ;)

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        6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
          Replying to @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

          Indeed, almost! Hence my username.

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        2. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

          There are most likely ways to introduce the theory behind it in an entirely different way that would achieve the same practical result (i.e. getting people to awakening), while making it more intuitive than mystical language, which may be more effective in other cultures.

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        3. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
          Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

          The problem is the attempt to rationalize mystical or existential questions in scientific language. "Here's a scientific explanation for unobservable, difficult-to-replicate phenomena. I am not an idiot."

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        4. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
          Replying to @Triquetrea @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

          As totally distinct from the attempt to scientifically investigate meditators, meditation, enlightenment et al, which is producing very interesting results (and non-results).

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        5. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea Mar 2
          Replying to @Triquetrea @Failed_Buddhist @SonOfEmerson

          I despise both the scientistic need to "legitimate" everything through the language of science, and the far worse destruction of scientific rigor through unfalsifiable claims, made on "scientific" grounds.

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        6. Failed Buddhist‏ @Failed_Buddhist Mar 2
          Replying to @Triquetrea @SonOfEmerson

          Oh I totally agree. But if that's what needs to be done to get people to engage and potentially gain experiential understanding, then I'm willing to let it slide (within reason, obviously).

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