As a result, it isn't necessary to take karma literally. And yet, seeing karma as a teaching can give one greater respect for cultivating the causes of "goodness" however one wishes to define it. 3/6
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Similarly, when Dudjom Lingpa, et al., suggest that phenomena are mind, I find it useful to consider that a teaching, not Dudjom Lingpa's attempt to play Tibetan Stephen Hawking and explain the inner workings of the phenomenal world. 4/6
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What Dudjom Lingpa wants is for you to practice Dzogchen. This means recognizing the nature of mind, training in that recognition, and seeing outer, body, and mental phenomena as the self-display of awareness. 5/6
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Dudjom Lingpa will do anything to help you accomplish this, even if it means supplying you with an oversimplified model of phenomena." [/Quote] 6/6
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist
Bullshit! Dudjom Lingpa SAID what Dudjom Lingpa MEANT. Your Buddhist friend is just as deluded as 100 percent of Buddhists.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist
Look, it's better than trying to work angles like "he SAID that, but he musn't have REALLY MEANT THAT." Come on. Fucker said, fucker meant.
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Replying to @ShibumiKiDo
By the way, if you read the quote again, all he said was that he "found it useful" to consider the words as a teaching rather than a metaphysical assertion. I think this is where we got off the rails.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @ShibumiKiDo
One can play Dzogchen philosophy without ever actually recognizing the nature of mind as practice. One doesn't need to play Dzogchen philosophy to recognize the nature of mind as practice. This makes no claim about what he did or didn't literally mean in a metaphysical sense.
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There is a danger of people playing metaphysical language games, thinking they are practicing Dzogchen, but not gaining any insight. It is therefore more *useful* to take his words as teachings, if the goal is liberation.
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This doesn't rule out the possibility that his statements were also literally metaphysical in nature. Maybe you're right about that. I would just posit that this is a separate inquiry.
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