Awakening is not about the stories we tell ourselves about our spiritual experiences. It's about what our experiences tell us about those stories.
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In some cases the phenomenological descriptions of meditation serve an important function. Not necessarily ‘awakening experiences’, but in the same field. Can lead to the sort of responses of : - “Oh I’m not going mad after all!” - “Ahh that’s how to get from 1st to 2nd jhana”
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That's certainly true. As long as we recognize that our descriptions are simply tools, then there's no problem. But often the descriptions get so convoluted and esoteric that they're of no use at all.
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is this because many have separate agendas 1. to experience awakening 2. verification of their metaphysics/religious paradigm/etc and that these can be at cross purposes?
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You're definitely right about that. I think those are two separate projects, though.
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