The prefrontalcortex loves to think that it's the only sentient thing in the human body. It's not.
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One could, but I don't think that's what Euvie meant. (Feel free to correct me
@euvieivanova) If you shut up the chatty self-referencing mind, there is still occasionally chatty mind. It just isn't the only player in the orchestra who gets to be on stage.
Fair enough. It seems to me like a lot of people in the Zen and some Hindu traditions have something against thoughts in general, and self-referential thoughts in particular.
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I find the Dzogchen perspective more helpful, in that it doesn't see thought as any more of a problem than any other phenomena. As long as it is seen for what it is without identification, there's no aversion necessary.
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How do you get someone to dis-identify from their thoughts, or see them as emptiness, without first having an awakening that they are not their thoughts? For me, it was in the other order.
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It can go in either order. Also: thoughts are not the problem.
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Thoughts are a problem for as long as they're a problem, unless they aren't. In case they are not, the problem stops being, except in thought. Except when it doesn't. In which case you may try the method above. :P
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Perhaps they want to and need to quiet their minds a little? When I see people express those views, I see them expressing a need. If you've come to a more relaxed attitude, then you may already have sufficient quietness to use a less forceful method.
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Yes, I had really obnoxious mental chatter, so I had to learn to shut it off. As soon as I did, it went to near zero and stayed there. Very scary, thought I broke my head. That was a 1.5 yrs ago. Now I don't find thoughts bothersome anymore, but it was an important step.
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It was the method that produced my first awakening, so I am a bit fond of it. I suspect it can help others too.
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