Several close friends, all meditators, have told me that they still struggle with random uncomfortable and/or disturbing thoughts that they feel ashamed of. Meditation is often sold as a spell that eradicates negative thoughts. This is a sham. (thread) 1/11
I don't think I claimed that thoughts are independent of causes and conditions. I said they are impersonal arising, and mustn't be identified with. I agree that examining the basis of thoughts can be useful. I don't think this is incompatible with being equanimous with them.
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fair enough, I think i was worrying that people would interpret your words to mean we have zero responsibility for our own thinking.
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If you define responsibility as "control", then no, we don't have responsibility for our thoughts. We can't even begin to grasp the web of causality that brings about a single thought. Of course, thoughts are often quite useful, and we should definitely take advantage of that.
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