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i’m gonna say it bowser loses to sonic
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I dunno. I just don't ever feel threatened by Sonic. Like yeah he can camp you, but he doesn't gain anything like zoners do. You just keep a slow, steady approach and watch for cues. I also can't say I'm that worried about off stage either. Just need to mix up recovery.
you can’t really approach on sonic, OR whiff punish. Sonic doing spindash jump goes too far to punish with fair or bair (most of the time theyre doing it from the front anyway, so you cant fair), offstage you can only mixup early on, but if sonic waits he can react or just
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two frame with fsmash, in neutral you have to stand in place and wait for a bad option which good sonics aren’t gonna do, and bowser just eats combos for free and can fairly reliably due to being edgeguarded 10 different ways. only things bowser holds above is survivability
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And kill power. You can’t edgeguard sonic, you can’t whiff punish sonic, and you can’t outspeed in neutral
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