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Dk and bowser both actually do fairly well vs swordies and both profit off of grab combos significantly and theyre only flaws are being combo’d by char. Like pika, fox, etc also bowser actually does really well vs snake, chrom, and pichu which are very important mus imo imo
doc being placed: lowest could be “ok”, highest could be “kinda busted” tornado is his main tool in neutral, has heavy armor, beats grab, and is much better for offstage edgeguards, as it kills significantly earlier now. he struggles vs the top tiers tho