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    1. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      But now, the fact that the human driver was clearly not paying attention has much more significance. At 13MPI, the human is co-driving the vehicle. So this is starting to look like serious negligence on both the SDC team's part *and* the driver's part.

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    2. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      Negligence is something that has to be proven in court, of course, but this is what you would call "one hell of a prima facie case," i.e., "if this wasn't negligence, they're going to have to explain an awful lot of things."

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    3. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      I should emphasize that this is **not** typical of self-driving cars. It's performance hundreds of times worse than (e.g.) Waymo's cars. Those are cars meant to save lives, by reducing driver error; what the hell are these cars doing?

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    4. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      SDC's, I strongly believe, will save tens of thousands of lives every year: nearly all car accidents are ultimately because of human error, even ones whose legal cause is considered something else like the weather. Almost the only non-human cause of crashes is mechanical failure.

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    5. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      They also have the ability to change the world for the blind, the elderly, children, parents of children, anyone who can't drive for one reason or another. And this doesn't touch on the impact on cities if almost all cars are self-driving — parking stops being a big deal.

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    6. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      This is why I strongly believe that self-driving cars are going to be a tremendous force for good in the world. BUT: that happens if, and only if, they work well and safely. And something being on the road at this level of success Does Not Cut It. //

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    7. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      Also, full disclosure: I invested in Uber. FWIW, this was done before quite a lot of things about the company came out — and since it's not a public security, one can't easily sell. But if I lose every penny I put in, it'll be what I deserve for ever touching these fools. 🤦‍♂️

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    8. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23

      Yonatan Zunger  🔥 Retweeted Johana Bhuiyan

      Some more fun: not only were they having trouble hitting their 13MPI target, but (as @rosa just pointed out) as of a year ago, they were at *0.8MPI*. That means we're counting *city blocks* between failures.https://twitter.com/jmbooyah/status/977306867926958080 …

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      Johana BhuiyanVerified account @JMBooyah
      So we reported almost exactly a year ago Uber drivers had to intervene once per .8 miles. https://www.recode.net/2017/3/16/14938116/uber-travis-kalanick-self-driving-internal-metrics-slow-progress … New docs that shows they’re now struggling to get to 1 every 13 miles. This is still very far behind competitors and not a ton of progress https://twitter.com/daiwaka/status/977301632831569920 …
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    9. Liz Fong-Jones‏ @lizthegrey Mar 23
      Replying to @yonatanzunger @rosa

      Not to shit on Uber too much, but like, this seems to be a *hard* problem that involves years of blood, sweat, and tears, and billions of dollars. And it seems like they've underestimated it in trying to race to market and put so many lives at risk :( :( [personal opinion]

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    10. Yonatan Zunger  🔥‏ @yonatanzunger Mar 23
      Replying to @lizthegrey @rosa

      It is a hard problem. Which is why when grown-ups try to solve it, they spend years developing, testing, and refining, before letting their devices get anywhere close to the public.

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      Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Mar 23
      Replying to @yonatanzunger @lizthegrey @rosa

      In Aviation, billions have been spent trying to develop algorithms and V&V tools that would allow smarter autopilot. And that's a significantly simpler space to work in. We don't have that tech in aviation yet.

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        2. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Mar 23
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @yonatanzunger and

          2-player dynamic game theory is hard. For n-player, the math doesn't exist yet to figure it out. We have no business shipping cars that rely on a solution to be discoverable.

          1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
        3. Estarianne, Head Witch, Chief of Hexes  😈‏ @estarianne Mar 23
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @yonatanzunger and

          I worked in automotive. I never thought it was gonna happen on the schedule they implied. Maybe for limited environments, but not general market

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        4. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Mar 23
          Replying to @estarianne @yonatanzunger and

          Also like in aviation we have air traffic control! We have a ground-based highly-sensored system with infinite computing power to make decisions. On the road we... hope we can maybe detect the lines.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Mar 23
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @estarianne and

          With embedded hardware

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        6. Estarianne, Head Witch, Chief of Hexes  😈‏ @estarianne Mar 23
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @yonatanzunger and

          Yep, and those things will be necessary for driverless cars too. Techbros got way ahead of themselves

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        7. Estarianne, Head Witch, Chief of Hexes  😈‏ @estarianne Mar 23
          Replying to @estarianne @EmilyGorcenski and

          Each car will need to communicate with the others on the road.

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        8. Estarianne, Head Witch, Chief of Hexes  😈‏ @estarianne Mar 23
          Replying to @estarianne @EmilyGorcenski and

          But the idea of driver assist is one I think is good, to add more sensory info

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