The Alt right is a rebranding of older white supremacist groups, same ideology, just a new image to attract new suppoters.
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Replying to @ARScott5875 @VicBergerIV and
No, it is not. It is a newish segment of the white supremacist movement with its own unique origins, subcultural make-up and activities. Please don't presume to lecture to me about white supremacy, something I've studied for over 20 years.
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Replying to @egavactip @ARScott5875 and
This is a nearly-meaningless distinction when they affiliate with, overlap with, and organize with established groups like Vanguard, the KKK, and the NSM.
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Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @ARScott5875 and
Vanguard America was not established, it is a new group. As for the others, if there are no distinctions between them, then why did you mention Klan and NSM separately? The fact is that there are a number of different types of white supremacists and distinctions matter.
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Replying to @egavactip @ARScott5875 and
I didn't say it wasn't new, I said it was established, which it absolutely was. I don't dispute that different groups exist. I dispute that nitpicking that different groups exist has any meaningful outcome-based impact.
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Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @egavactip and
One could argue that there is value in distinction when it comes to counter-recruitment. But in terms of violence and measured outcomes, it actually doesn't matter whether James Fields wore a swastika or a Vanguard America logo on his shirt.
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Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @ARScott5875 and
1. You are certainly persistent in trying to explain white supremacy to me. It does matter, of course. Different white supremacist segments can be more or less active, or rising or falling, simultaneously. In the 1980s-1990s, for example, Christian Identity
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Replying to @egavactip @EmilyGorcenski and
2. was one of the main sources of white supremacist violence. Today it is far less significant as a source of violence--so someone trying to deter or investigate white supremacist violence would be errant in placing too many resources there.
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Replying to @egavactip @EmilyGorcenski and
3. Or, for another example, racist skinheads are far more likely to attack the homeless (they have committed a number of murders against the homeless) than other types of white supremacists are.
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Replying to @egavactip @ARScott5875 and
I am not trying to explain white supremacy to you nor am I trying to invalidate these distinctions. What I am trying to do is--as a survivor--critique your dismissal of the alt-right's terrorism (and that of their allies) as what it is.
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And mind you, I am coming at this from the perspective of the person who wrote the document warning Charlottesville officials of the violence to come, as someone who correctly predicted 2 months before that Vanguard would commit a terrorist attack at UTR...
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Replying to @EmilyGorcenski @egavactip and
as someone who was given their planning chatlogs and as someone who survived attacks at three events in Charlottesville this summer. I have seen intimately their violence.
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