I also need to get fucking real here with the Nuremberg stuff. This example gets used a lot lately. You know what we did to many of those "just following orders" Nazis? We killed them. Just like we killed hundreds of thousands of them on the battlefield.https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/1008507728929738752 …
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So like, I'm not arguing against this comparison, per se. I'm saying we need to get real honest about where we're setting the baseline.
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Are these messages meant to say, "dear ICE agents, watch out because 'just following orders' was a path to execution" and if not why bring it up? And if it is, what path do we foresee that gets to that point?
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Nuremberg comparisons are premonitions of violent reconciliation. They are meaningless without the willingness to be party to anti-fascist violence.
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Qualified and sovereign immunity exist and are stronger than ever. Chelsea leaked hard evidence of actual war crimes and nothing happened. There is no framework for legal consequences for this behavior in America without dramatic upheaval of our systems.https://twitter.com/saavik2017/status/1008593509002235904?s=19 …
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SaavikVotesWithDr.Ford11/6 @saavik2017Replying to @EmilyGorcenskiI think you're overreaching. The Nuremberg comments (mine in particular) are meant to remind people who "just follow orders" to perpetrate war-crimes that they will not necessarily escape legal consequences. And this, my dear, is a war-crime, in the undeclared war on Hispanics.1 reply 18 retweets 76 likesShow this thread -
"Watch out, copper, think about Nuremberg before we come for you with a legal system that fails to convict cops who are even caught on HD video straight up executing unarmed, compliant Black men. You'll rue the day!"
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The Nuremberg trials didn't happen because the Third Reich abruptly and willingly changed it's path. It took a brutal war to tear that regime down, so like if you wanna make Nuremberg comparisons to America we need to start talking about the bloody war that will precede it.
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*other nations* came in and put those Nazis on trial. Which other nations are gonna come put ICE agents on trial? Because that's what you're arguing when you make this comparison.
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And then there was the punishment of Germany. Not Nuremberg. Not the Nazis. The Germans who did this, who didn't stop it It started with a forced march to the concentration camps and then forced labor to bury the Holocaust victims who had been discovered.
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And 44 years of their entire country being occupied and divided! There was even a wall!
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You think they'll split the US down the Mississippi or some sort of Mason-Dixon? Canada runs one half, Mexico runs the other half
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