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Lead Data Scientist, activist, survivor. Was actually assaulted by an actual right-wing terrorist. Opinions belong only to me, especially the bad ones. she/they

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    1. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

      Emily G Retweeted James Martin, SJ

      I also need to get fucking real here with the Nuremberg stuff. This example gets used a lot lately. You know what we did to many of those "just following orders" Nazis? We killed them. Just like we killed hundreds of thousands of them on the battlefield.https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/1008507728929738752 …

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      James Martin, SJVerified account @JamesMartinSJ
      Anyone who participates in this kind of wanton cruelty is also guilty of this evil. "I was just following orders" went out at Nuremberg. The decision-makers and all who cooperate in these actions will be judged. 4/
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    2. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

      So like, I'm not arguing against this comparison, per se. I'm saying we need to get real honest about where we're setting the baseline.

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      Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

      Are these messages meant to say, "dear ICE agents, watch out because 'just following orders' was a path to execution" and if not why bring it up? And if it is, what path do we foresee that gets to that point?

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        2. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

          Nuremberg comparisons are premonitions of violent reconciliation. They are meaningless without the willingness to be party to anti-fascist violence.

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        3. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

          Emily G Retweeted SaavikVotesWithDr.Ford11/6

          Qualified and sovereign immunity exist and are stronger than ever. Chelsea leaked hard evidence of actual war crimes and nothing happened. There is no framework for legal consequences for this behavior in America without dramatic upheaval of our systems.https://twitter.com/saavik2017/status/1008593509002235904?s=19 …

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          SaavikVotesWithDr.Ford11/6 @saavik2017
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski
          I think you're overreaching. The Nuremberg comments (mine in particular) are meant to remind people who "just follow orders" to perpetrate war-crimes that they will not necessarily escape legal consequences. And this, my dear, is a war-crime, in the undeclared war on Hispanics.
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        4. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

          "Watch out, copper, think about Nuremberg before we come for you with a legal system that fails to convict cops who are even caught on HD video straight up executing unarmed, compliant Black men. You'll rue the day!"

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        5. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

          The Nuremberg trials didn't happen because the Third Reich abruptly and willingly changed it's path. It took a brutal war to tear that regime down, so like if you wanna make Nuremberg comparisons to America we need to start talking about the bloody war that will precede it.

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        6. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17

          *other nations* came in and put those Nazis on trial. Which other nations are gonna come put ICE agents on trial? Because that's what you're arguing when you make this comparison.

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        2. SaavikVotesWithDr.Ford11/6‏ @saavik2017 Jun 17
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski

          I think you're overreaching. The Nuremberg comments (mine in particular) are meant to remind people who "just follow orders" to perpetrate war-crimes that they will not necessarily escape legal consequences. And this, my dear, is a war-crime, in the undeclared war on Hispanics.

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        3. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17
          Replying to @saavik2017

          What part of present American politics looks like a cop facing consequences when qualified and sovereign immunity exist? Cops are literally executing Black men every week and getting away with it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
        4. SaavikVotesWithDr.Ford11/6‏ @saavik2017 Jun 17
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski

          The Nuremberg trials took almost two decades and a World War to happen. You think intimate justice will be swift? A war criminal in the Hague, from Serbia, wasn't apprehended for many years. I'm not saying it's even-handed. I'm saying it's not unavoidable. And I agree.

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        5. Emily G‏Verified account @EmilyGorcenski Jun 17
          Replying to @saavik2017

          The Nuremberg trials happened consequent to an entire regime being violently toppled by a multi-nation coalition so our baseline is pretty high. The Third Reich didn't have a sudden change of heart.

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        1. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Jun 17
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski

          I don't know, but we need a narrative that offers a plausible path to that point.

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        1. N Tosches‏ @NTosches Jun 17
          Replying to @EmilyGorcenski

          Well the penalty for "just shipping them to the camps" might have hypothetically been less severe too, but that's not how it happened. This though.....this is something that needs to be ended. Now. Full stop. Because if left unchecked, it becomes terrifying

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