I also need to get fucking real here with the Nuremberg stuff. This example gets used a lot lately. You know what we did to many of those "just following orders" Nazis? We killed them. Just like we killed hundreds of thousands of them on the battlefield.https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/1008507728929738752 …
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Nuremberg comparisons are premonitions of violent reconciliation. They are meaningless without the willingness to be party to anti-fascist violence.
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Qualified and sovereign immunity exist and are stronger than ever. Chelsea leaked hard evidence of actual war crimes and nothing happened. There is no framework for legal consequences for this behavior in America without dramatic upheaval of our systems.https://twitter.com/saavik2017/status/1008593509002235904?s=19 …
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"Watch out, copper, think about Nuremberg before we come for you with a legal system that fails to convict cops who are even caught on HD video straight up executing unarmed, compliant Black men. You'll rue the day!"
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The Nuremberg trials didn't happen because the Third Reich abruptly and willingly changed it's path. It took a brutal war to tear that regime down, so like if you wanna make Nuremberg comparisons to America we need to start talking about the bloody war that will precede it.
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*other nations* came in and put those Nazis on trial. Which other nations are gonna come put ICE agents on trial? Because that's what you're arguing when you make this comparison.
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I think you're overreaching. The Nuremberg comments (mine in particular) are meant to remind people who "just follow orders" to perpetrate war-crimes that they will not necessarily escape legal consequences. And this, my dear, is a war-crime, in the undeclared war on Hispanics.
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What part of present American politics looks like a cop facing consequences when qualified and sovereign immunity exist? Cops are literally executing Black men every week and getting away with it.
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The Nuremberg trials took almost two decades and a World War to happen. You think intimate justice will be swift? A war criminal in the Hague, from Serbia, wasn't apprehended for many years. I'm not saying it's even-handed. I'm saying it's not unavoidable. And I agree.
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The Nuremberg trials happened consequent to an entire regime being violently toppled by a multi-nation coalition so our baseline is pretty high. The Third Reich didn't have a sudden change of heart.
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I don't know, but we need a narrative that offers a plausible path to that point.
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Well the penalty for "just shipping them to the camps" might have hypothetically been less severe too, but that's not how it happened. This though.....this is something that needs to be ended. Now. Full stop. Because if left unchecked, it becomes terrifying
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