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Assistant Prof. Leiden University. Measurement, modeling & ontology of mental illness. http://Eiko-Fried.com  & http://Psych-Networks.com . RT ≠ endorsements

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    Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 8

    The number of conditions #antidepressants are prescribed for literally doesn't fit on 1 full page. H1: We don't understand working mechanisms, but lucked into a miracle drug. H0: Questionable research practices, publication bias, small samples, COIs, broken publishing system.pic.twitter.com/9rjK6CUvBj

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      1. Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 8

        (The truth lies somewhere in the middle, probably)

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      2. Micha Heilbron‏ @m_heilb Apr 8
        Replying to @EikoFried

        H2: antidepressants can (sometimes) aleviate symptoms found in a wide range of conditions?

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      3. Micha Heilbron‏ @m_heilb Apr 8
        Replying to @m_heilb @EikoFried

        I mean, these conditions overlap to some extent?

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      4. Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 8
        Replying to @m_heilb

        H2 is plausible in case symptoms overlap (they do, e.g. insomnia). But I usually see antidepressants advertised as "treatments", which is very different from alleviating symptoms.

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      5. James Baker‏ @jadbakerg Apr 9
        Replying to @EikoFried @peterkinderman @m_heilb

        @joannamoncrieff 's argument around the use of a "drug centred model" rather than a "disease centred model" for AD's is useful here, I think.https://joannamoncrieff.com/2013/11/21/models-of-drug-action/ …

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      2. Dr.Rahmoun‏ @DrBasheeRahmoun Apr 8
        Replying to @EikoFried

        When u say antidepressants or TCAs you are talking about a group of meds (not one medication) , each medication has a specific indication(s). We know how they work, and they have been used for years to treat the conditions you listed , and they work !

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      3. Eiko Fried‏ @EikoFried Apr 8
        Replying to @DrBasheeRahmoun

        The most recent meta analyses for treating the listed conditions via antidepressants: would you agree that they all show 1) moderate to severe publication bias, 2) severe outcome switching, and 3) higher efficacy of industry-sponsored vs independent studies?

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      4. Sylvain Chabé-Ferret‏ @SylvainCF Apr 8
        Replying to @EikoFried @DrBasheeRahmoun

        Can you link to the recent meta-analyses, please? I’ll put an entry in #sky

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      2. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @EikoFried

        Ignoring published evidence from RCTs for a moment, I'd first suggest differentiating between a few things: 1) common vs pharmacological terminology: the term "antidepressant medication" is at best confusing bc reduces a broad spectrum of drugs w many medical indications to 1/n

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      3. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @neuroccino @EikoFried

        a single indication, which partly makes up the confusion. 2) first vs second line indication etc: TCAs are normally not prescribed first line for depression and many of these conditions! Another reason why labeling it all "antidepressant medication" isn't helpful 2/n.

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      4. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @neuroccino @EikoFried

        Knowing a bit about the pharmacology of TCAs and the hypothesised role of neurotransmitters in most of these conditions, I must say that I am personally at least not suprised that they are being prescribed to treat certain symptoms in these conditions. 3/n

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      5. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @neuroccino @EikoFried

        Most of all I'd question though the quality of your source as it does not differentiate between first/second line etc and does not refer to the symptoms being treated (e.g. depressive symptoms and anxiety in PD and smoking cessation). This being said, I have little doubt that 4/n

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      6. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @neuroccino @EikoFried

        the body of lit you're referring too is just as plagued by QRPs as any other field in clinical medicine, which probably also holds for most preclinical work that has characterised the pharmacology based on which working hypotheses for clinical translation had been inferred 5/5.

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      7. David Mehler‏ @neuroccino Apr 8
        Replying to @neuroccino @EikoFried

        PS: not saying that there wasn't (very) little evidence for efficacy of TCAs in some of these. However, nobody treats PD w a TCA, but with DA meds. Another potential area for this list is neural recovery after stroke, but again only off-label use and adjuvant to other treatments.

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      1. WonkaWasInnocent‏ @WonkaWasRight Apr 8
        Replying to @EikoFried

        I think it's maybe 1/3 [anti depressants probably work at the common denominator of these symptoms by reducing neuroticism slightly/making you care less] + 2/3[psychiatric research practices are mediocre at best?]

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