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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky May 18

    Some people believe that learning programming is so general, it helps you think about every kind of problem! Seems unlikely. Most truly, globally competitive fields where people take every edge they legally can, like baseball, do not send their contenders to coding bootcamp.

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      1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky May 18

        Could still be true: being a natural programmer correlates with a widely applicable thinking power... that is key to relatively few competitive fields, and that nobody knows how to teach.

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      2. It's Genius O'Clock‏ @GeniusOClock May 18
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        Logic is more general/fundamental than programming, and it can be universally applied, even in sports.

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      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky May 18
        Replying to @GeniusOClock

        Are leading baseball players or hedge fund traders sent off to study formal logic?

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      4. It's Genius O'Clock‏ @GeniusOClock May 18
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        No... but it would definitely help. P.S. "Sent off"? Like to logic camp?

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      2. Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin May 18
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        Also possible: it helps you think about very many kinds of problems, but less efficiently for any given problem than specialized training around that problem.

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      3. Rick $COSS [Not Giving Away $TUBE]‏ @WolfOfCOSS May 18
        Replying to @VitalikButerin @ESYudkowsky

        "Math is generally useful" "No, pro baseball players don't go to math camp."pic.twitter.com/FSd1z2j3fc

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      1. Richard Yannow‏ @RichardYannow May 18
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        This just says that programming is not the single most valuable way to get better at, e.g. baseball. It doesn't disprove that it helps across lots of areas, just that a baseball player is better off working out and a hedge fund trader studying companies.

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      2. HORRIBLE FLY-MAN (Nubes Rojas)‏ @cosmosPixelado May 18
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        haven't really seen serious people claim this? what a programmer needs, tho, is the ability to understand different fields to better adapt the programs to the needs of the clients, but I don't remember off hand any claim to the general powers of learning programming in any text

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      3. HORRIBLE FLY-MAN (Nubes Rojas)‏ @cosmosPixelado May 18
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        like, I don't remember either The Art of Computer Programming or The C Programming Language introductions having such claims guess there are always crazyos that are gonna claim something like that about a discipline

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      1. Roald Teuben‏ @TeubenRoald May 18
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Maybe it's like weight-lifting to improve at say, tennis. Raw power may be an edge, but what trumps is tennis-specific training that works the muscles in concert.

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      2. Justin Gage‏ @jGage718 May 19
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        http://justinsgage.com/blog/2018/05/07/being-technical-is-overrated …

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      3. John Greer‏ @JohnCGreer May 21
        Replying to @jGage718 @ESYudkowsky

        Nice article, Justin! Reminds me of @ScottAdamsSays talent stacks. Fav quote: "Instead of asking if someone can write code, we should be asking whether they have the drive and personality to learn and understand the tools necessary to make them independently successful."

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      4. Justin Gage‏ @jGage718 May 21
        Replying to @JohnCGreer @ESYudkowsky @ScottAdamsSays

        Thanks you 🤚

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      1. Till Zoppke‏ @kinnla May 19
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        In Cuba, elementary school kids are told to play chess. Traditional art of problem solving.

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      1. Steven Ehrbar‏ @ehrbar May 19
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        Opportunity costs.

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      1. ( λf.(λx.(f.(x x))λx.(f (x x))))‏ @khodges42 May 18
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I wonder if that myth came from the days when you needed to know a little BASIC or Shell Scripting to operate a computer. Its certainly not true today. Learning logic, applied algebra, and how to think about procedures is useful, but not specifically Java or something

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      2. LambdaDuck‏ @Anka213 May 18
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        I don't see how your conclusions follow from your reasoning? Programming can be generally useful without being as effective as specialized training.

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      3. LambdaDuck‏ @Anka213 May 19
        Replying to @Anka213 @ESYudkowsky

        I don't see baseball professionals being sent to rationalst bootcamps either, and that knowledge obviously helps with thinking about almost any kind of problem.

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      1. Dan Kuck-Alvarez‏ @dankuck May 21
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        Moneyball 2: Ball++

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      1. Euge‏ @eugediana May 19
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Learning logic would help perhaps, but, learning to actually use logic (versus emotion) in one’s thinking would be more useful, imho.

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