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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 29

      https://xkcd.com/1968/  is #TheLastDerail in a nutshell. I can try to imagine hypotheses, but I'm not sure why Randall Monroe thinks this a clever thing to say. If I wrote a fictional character saying this straight out, I'd be accused of writing a 2D straw character.

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    2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 29

      "Some people worry about the deaths of billions, the destruction of humankind, the waste of the cosmic endowment and the loss of unimaginably vast and glorious intergalactic civilizations that would've been. Lol! I worry about something else which I think is MUCH higher-status."

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    3. David Fendrich‏ @fnedrik Mar 30
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky

      I wondered why he couldn't worry about two things.

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    4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 30
      Replying to @fnedrik

      Because the point is to put down people who worry about the second thing. I can imagine theories of 2D villainous reasons to do this, like pushing yourself up by putting down others. If there's a 3D reason, I don't know it.

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    5. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fnedrik

      I don’t read it that way. I think he’s fully on your side in stressing the importance of AI risk. Diff is, AGI is some unknown years out w possibly big unseen hurdles ahead. Dimmer AIs controlling swarms of weaponized drones is almost already upon us, and it’s kind of a big deal

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    6. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 30
      Replying to @rob4lderman @fnedrik

      Stressing risks unrelated to AGI and derailing AGI conversations by crying "AI risk!" ain't on my side. Drones are as unrelated to AGI as assault rifles are to drones. Derailing a drone conversation with "Let's talk about currently deadly machines!" wouldn't be on Monroe's side.

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    7. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fnedrik

      What? It’s all AI risk. AI swarms are much different than just drones. And the comparisons to rifles? Geez. Nobody is trying to derail your concerns about AGI dude

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 30
      Replying to @rob4lderman @fnedrik

      It's all "machine risk". No, better yet, it's all "objects made of matter risk". Why worry about drone thingies when bullet thingies are higher-status and less nerdy?

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        2. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fnedrik

          I’m in fact a card-carrying nerd myself, I’m not one to shy away from neediness. But if you really think that weaponized drone swarms coordinated by machines processing massive amounts of information in real time doesn’t fall under “AI risk”.... well then that’s what you think

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        3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 30
          Replying to @rob4lderman @fnedrik

          Then I'm uninterested in AI risk. I specialize in the mostly unrelated issues of AGI. Of course they're both made of computers, and likewise computers and assault rifles are both made of matter; but AI and AGI and assault rifles all three have few problems or solutions in common.

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        4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 30
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @rob4lderman @fnedrik

          (*Rarely* there is work on ML robustness general enough that it might genuinely scale up to AGI or to components of AGI. "Adversarial examples" is one honest and unforced example that comes to mind.)

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        5. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @fnedrik

          I disagree with you on most of that, but I’m happy to have you focus entirely on AGI, which you do very well, while Randall and I fret about lesser machine intelligences that might nonetheless be civilizational game changers

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        2. Tristan Miano‏ @TristanMiano Mar 30
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @rob4lderman @fnedrik

          People have a mental model of AI risk where they say certain things have X amount of intelligence in them, then say that in order to solve the problems of X+1 level of intelligence you have to solve it for X first. Therefore why drones are placed on the same scale as AGI.

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        3. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
          Replying to @TristanMiano @ESYudkowsky @fnedrik

          Maybe ppl do, but that’s not what I’m suggesting and I would challenge anyone who argued it’s all connected linearly like that. What we have here is just disagreement on what falls into the category “AI risk”, plus concern that AGI talk is being derailed, which I just don’t see

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        4. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
          Replying to @rob4lderman @TristanMiano and

          Think sets, with AGI being a subset of AI, not a linear succession of it. Make sense?

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        5. Tristan Miano‏ @TristanMiano Mar 30
          Replying to @rob4lderman

          I would be ok with that if there was no confusion about AGI overlapping with other problems in the set of AI problems, just as we don't consider gun safety to overlap with AGI safety. The issue seems to be the belief that we've made progress on AGI by working on drone problems.

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        6. Rob Alderman‏ @rob4lderman Mar 30
          Replying to @TristanMiano

          No one here is confused about that. No one made that claim. You’re debating other ppl who aren’t in the room right now. If they happen to show up then yeah, I’m with you on that one

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        7. Tristan Miano‏ @TristanMiano Mar 30
          Replying to @rob4lderman

          If xkcd isn't making that claim, then his argument is identical to throwing in global warming on the timeline in place of killer drones, but I don't think that's quite the same argument as he's going for.

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