https://xkcd.com/1968/ is #TheLastDerail in a nutshell. I can try to imagine hypotheses, but I'm not sure why Randall Monroe thinks this a clever thing to say. If I wrote a fictional character saying this straight out, I'd be accused of writing a 2D straw character.
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I wondered why he couldn't worry about two things.
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Because the point is to put down people who worry about the second thing. I can imagine theories of 2D villainous reasons to do this, like pushing yourself up by putting down others. If there's a 3D reason, I don't know it.
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I don’t read it that way. I think he’s fully on your side in stressing the importance of AI risk. Diff is, AGI is some unknown years out w possibly big unseen hurdles ahead. Dimmer AIs controlling swarms of weaponized drones is almost already upon us, and it’s kind of a big deal
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Stressing risks unrelated to AGI and derailing AGI conversations by crying "AI risk!" ain't on my side. Drones are as unrelated to AGI as assault rifles are to drones. Derailing a drone conversation with "Let's talk about currently deadly machines!" wouldn't be on Monroe's side.
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What? It’s all AI risk. AI swarms are much different than just drones. And the comparisons to rifles? Geez. Nobody is trying to derail your concerns about AGI dude
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It's all "machine risk". No, better yet, it's all "objects made of matter risk". Why worry about drone thingies when bullet thingies are higher-status and less nerdy?
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I’m in fact a card-carrying nerd myself, I’m not one to shy away from neediness. But if you really think that weaponized drone swarms coordinated by machines processing massive amounts of information in real time doesn’t fall under “AI risk”.... well then that’s what you think
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Then I'm uninterested in AI risk. I specialize in the mostly unrelated issues of AGI. Of course they're both made of computers, and likewise computers and assault rifles are both made of matter; but AI and AGI and assault rifles all three have few problems or solutions in common.
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I mean, from THIS perspective it makes sense. Given that the AI alignment problem probably does not have a solution.pic.twitter.com/u0fyATNOGs
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Unfortunately, worrying more about Trump using drone strikes than about existential risk is an important part of normie signaling
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Is it just me or would this not have been part of normie signaling in 1950? Or even 1990?
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Signaling concern about nuclear armageddon was mainstream in 1980, and ecologic armageddon acceptable in 1990. Millennials need something different than boomers and GenX to worry about, and AI is too male and nerdy.
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#TheLastDerrail seems convinced that ai is just the new thing to be signalled and their concerns are the low status ones I think that the new high status thing is saying that people are just signalling concern like the other times and the real problem is x -
We didn't die in a nuclear apocalipse ,and ecological concers are too long term So now being concerned for posible apocaliptic scenarios is no longer high status Worrying about evil corporations doing whatever is the new trendy thing Or anything that involves people being evil.
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If “something else” seems to be at least a civilization-ending threat, and will predictably occur before AGI, this makes sense. If autonomous armies are a bad enough threat that people can’t study AI, you don’t need to worry about alignment quite yet.
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It is implausible it’ll get that bad, but if you disagree on that then the priorities make sense.
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Maybe it’s saying there are existential risks before self aware AI that aren’t getting sufficient attention as people bring distant dangers near.
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Maybe he thinks that the killer robots will end civilization before we reach point b.
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I wonder if this ties in:https://twitter.com/PLT_cheater/status/967516133610975233 …
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