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    1. Geoffrey Miller‏Verified account @primalpoly Mar 14

      There have been many great female scientists, novelists, artists, etc. But which female philosophers should replace Plato, Aristotle, Erasmus, Descartes, Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Kant, Mill, Nietzsche, Habermas, or Singer? Serious suggestions welcome.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/03/14/oxford-university-set-feminise-curriculum-requesting-inclusion/ …

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 15
      Replying to @primalpoly

      An obvious reply would be that philosophy has historically been driven by prestige rather than by objective verification of the verifiable accomplishments of talent, making it impossible for talented women or men to go down in history.

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        2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 15
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          Nietsche and Ayn Rand and Plato and Freud were all creatively wrong. I see no basis on which to say that Rand was wrong about philosophy in a less interesting way than Nietsche or more odiously than Freud, and had she been male I expect she would be considered less icky.

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        3. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke Mar 15
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          I like the example of Rand as way of trying to discern whether we’re biased as consumers of philosophy. The large historical problem has been as much that the books were never written, or at least not widely propagated though.

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        4. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke Mar 15
          Replying to @tomeclarke @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          Helen Taylor Mill maybe illustrative. JS Mill credits her as being the thinker of the important thoughts in his work, but we only know about that because it was relatively recently and we have documentation of his thoughts on the matter.

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        5. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 15
          Replying to @tomeclarke @primalpoly

          Yep. No coincidence that Ayn Rand lived relatively recently. We all need to be wary of recency bias, but my own theory is that if philosophy were a healthy discipline than little more would be said of Plato than of alchemists. Few read Newton's original writings.

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        6. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke Mar 15
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          That’s a great point. To the extent plato is important it’s in the history of philosophy rather than his correctness. Although, no-one I’ve read other than Plato seems to have addressed what the best musical modes are for society.

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        7. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke Mar 15
          Replying to @tomeclarke @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          In The Republic the Dorian mode was preferred so he would have appreciated Miles Davis' ’So What’.

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        8. Tom Clarke‏ @tomeclarke Mar 15
          Replying to @tomeclarke @ESYudkowsky @primalpoly

          The Doors did a lot of work in the Dorian too. Coming back to your point @ESYudkowsky, would it be a good way to characterize things that what we call ‘Philosophy’ as a discipline is much more conflated with it’s own history than in other disciplines (e.g physics)?

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        9. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Mar 15
          Replying to @tomeclarke @primalpoly

          Art and literature have sometimes been likewise conflated with their own history. I see it as a curse of places where objective accomplishment is hard for many to verify and a natural tendency to ancestor-worship and an illusion of scholarship allocates prestige, a la religion.

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