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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 27

      What makes you qualified to have an opinion about gun control? A) Knowing the difference between a magazine and a clip, and bump stocks versus full automatic weapons. B) Ability to assemble and disassemble handguns and rifles. C) If I might get shot, I get to have an opinion.

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    2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 27
      Replying to @davidmanheim

      Imma bite the bullet and say that SO MUCH damage is done by uninformed votes that we should think that being well-informed matters more than being affected.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 28
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky

      Any expertise comes with bias, and democracy (as opposed to technocracy) provides a trade-off between them. I'm not claiming there's no virtue in subject matter knowledge, but democracy fails if only knowledgeable supporters of a policy are considered qualified to have opinions.

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 28
      Replying to @davidmanheim

      That was indeed one interpretation of the ideal of Democracy. I think we've gotten recent info on where we should prefer to marginally push the balance of that ideal.

      8:23 AM - 28 Feb 2018
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        2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 28
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @davidmanheim

          Let us say "Democracy fails if voters don't think they have a responsibility to be informed" and "Democracy degrades as less informed talking heads appear on TV and before Congressional committees."

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 28
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          Sure, but if only those with enough expertise on bank regulation are those who spent their career in investment banking, leaving them to dictate policy, which happened, is disastrous. And yes, this is a hard problem. But telling non-experts they cannot venture opinions is bad.

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        4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 28
          Replying to @davidmanheim

          The only workable solution I know of there was and is the still more knowledge-loaded policy of NGDPLT. More outsidery, less knowledgeable banking regulators could not have done better IMO. They couldn't have covered all the loopholes, and the answer to that is a technical one.

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        5. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 28
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky

          But we often don't need to cover loopholes, if we stick to more basic regulations. In 2007, either continuing to limit corporate leverage, or random auditing of transactions like loans, or enforcing stricter capital req's for novel products would likely have been sufficient.

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        6. stucchio‏ @stucchio Feb 28
          Replying to @davidmanheim @ESYudkowsky

          In 2007, likely none of those things would have prevented the disaster. Grossly underpredicting a price drop would kill even a portfolio of plain vanilla loans. Random audits don't fix this. Neither does limiting leverage or capital reqs for novel products.

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        7. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 28
          Replying to @stucchio @ESYudkowsky

          Random audits of mortgages and penalties for fraud on the part of borrowers and banks would certainly have reduced the size of the bubble and reduced (not eliminated) the later problems with mortgage defaults, and hence the price drop.

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