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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Feb 23

      Robin Hanson Retweeted Marginal Revolution

      Contra Cowen, competency-based & on-line school seem to me to offer worse signals of future job performance, and so would not beat existing school plans in an open fair competition. https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/02/signal-inertia.html …https://twitter.com/MargRev/status/966727303693615104 …

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      Marginal Revolution @MargRev
      College average is over http://dlvr.it/QHQGHb 
      7 replies 4 retweets 19 likes
    2. tylercowen‏Verified account @tylercowen Feb 23
      Replying to @robinhanson

      That is not what I claim, though, only that such forms will dominate *if* Caplanian signaling is the dominant motive...

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    3. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Feb 23
      Replying to @tylercowen

      But I don't see @bryan_caplan as saying school is mainly about signaling learning. He says school signals smarts, care, & conformity. Competency-based & online learning don't obviously show those features better.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. tylercowen‏Verified account @tylercowen Feb 23
      Replying to @robinhanson @bryan_caplan

      BC wants to have it both ways. The more complex the signaling story gets, the harder it is to do it another way, and we are back to a kind of semi-efficiency.

      4 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    5. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 23
      Replying to @tylercowen @robinhanson @bryan_caplan

      Bryan's primary thesis is "School is not forming human capital and groups with more school won't do collectively better." You can't refute that by saying "School is socially efficient signaling, there's no simple way for a society to allow stronger signals at lower cost."

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. tylercowen‏Verified account @tylercowen Feb 23
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @robinhanson @bryan_caplan

      If you wish to argue that signaling is significantly inefficient, you've got to win on these across the board.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 23
      Replying to @tylercowen @robinhanson @bryan_caplan

      There's three separate questions here! 1. Is school about glorious human capital formation or mere signaling? 2. Is the social benefit of signaling worth the costs expended, or is this a negative-sum phenomenon? 3. Is there a Pareto-superior new Nash equilibrium we can get to?

      11:38 AM - 23 Feb 2018
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        2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 23
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @tylercowen and

          @bryan_caplan's first and foremost contribution is that the oft-repeated notion that school is about glorious human capital formation is mostly false. This already calls into question the original stated reason for the massive subsidies.

          1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
        3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 23
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @tylercowen and

          There's then a further point that even though competitively discriminating future job performance can be a kind of social good, it's an especially dumb kind of social good to try to subsidize. This further point is also not refuted by saying school is efficient as signaling.

          0 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
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        1. Eric Rasmusen‏ @erasmuse Feb 23
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @bryan_caplan and

          As a theorist I'd like to rephrase: Is school about glorious signalling, or mere human capital formation?

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        1. Nathaniel Bechhofer  🌐‏ @bechhof Feb 23
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @bryan_caplan and

          There’s never a Pareto superior equilibrium IRL

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        2. Arnie Kriegbaum‏ @mimizhusband Feb 23
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @bryan_caplan and

          Comment RE: #2 Schools could be more accurate in their signaling by including other measures other than GPA that do tell of future usefulness to the world

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        3. Eric Rasmusen‏ @erasmuse Feb 23
          Replying to @mimizhusband @ESYudkowsky and

          Like what?

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