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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 15

    Eliezer Yudkowsky Retweeted Steven Pinker

    I have some genuine puzzlement as to what is causing people like Steven Pinker to write an article refuting straw arguments, an angry and dismissive essay whose logic could be torn down in 30 seconds. What's going on? Why is this happening?https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/963950456409088000 …

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    Steven PinkerVerified account @sapinker
    Why AI won't kill us (neither as targets nor as collateral damage--the so called value alignment problem). Excerpt from the "Existential Risks" chapter of Enlightenment Now. http://pops.ci/Mv0w8G  via @PopSci
    12:46 AM - 15 Feb 2018
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      2. Jesse Ray Nichols‏ @JesseNichols Feb 20
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        "Understanding does not obey Moore’s Law: Knowledge is acquired by formulating explanations and testing them against reality, not by running an algorithm faster and faster." -Pinker. Refute this part, 30 seconds, go.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 21
        Replying to @JesseNichols

        If Alpha Zero can outrun all of human civilization deducing the consequences of Go in one day, it shows that we have a very poor idea of the consequences of our hypotheses, and hence make very inefficient use of evidence. Sure, a superintelligence has to learn. It learns FASTER.

        2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 21
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @JesseNichols

        And if I'm allowed to link, of course, then I just link:http://lesswrong.com/lw/qk/that_alien_message/ …

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2.  😈Josh Weinstein 😈‏ @joshweinstein Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Please tear it down! PRETTY PLEASE!!!

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Feb 15
        Replying to @joshweinstein

        I'll once again post http://arbital.com/p/orthogonality  in case anyone looks at this thread and wants to check the more advanced presentation of the ideas.

        4 replies 2 retweets 30 likes
      4. Alexander Kruel‏ @XiXiDu Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @joshweinstein

        Pinker actually uses the Orthogonality Thesis as a counter-argument in his article. What he misses is the convergent instrumental goals thesis.

        0 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
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      2. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I don't get it either. I'd like to see some well argued analysis of why we shouldn't be worrying about this now. But I don't think I've seen it.

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Catherine Olsson‏ @catherineols Feb 15
        Replying to @jeremyphoward @ESYudkowsky

        Any idea of what we should do @jeremyphoward? (fwiw I do think that it's worth "worrying", or rather, "getting our heads screwed on straight"). I have some vaguely-formed ideas of what might help, gleaned from playing lots of ideological go-between, but would love to chat more.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Anna Gát‏ @TheAnnaGat Feb 15
        Replying to @catherineols @jeremyphoward @ESYudkowsky

        Good to differentiate btwn humanities ppl vaguely familiar w AI forming public opinions vs leading technologists doing so. I'm more worried re: latter i.e. obvs short-term business interests stifling black-swan thinking-coming from black-swan companies w/o in-depth argumentation.

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      5. Catherine Olsson‏ @catherineols Feb 15
        Replying to @TheAnnaGat @jeremyphoward @ESYudkowsky

        Not sure I follow... you're saying you're more worried about tech CEOs publicly denouncing safety concern than you are about psych professors, because their business interests actively incentivize opposition to black-swan thinking? What's the bit about black swan companies?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Anna Gát‏ @TheAnnaGat Feb 15
        Replying to @catherineols @jeremyphoward @ESYudkowsky

        OK sorry, breaking it down: 1 psych/phil profs from non-relevant spaces less harmful 2 tech CEOs w relevant knowledge dismissive re unlikely events v harmful 3 said tech CEOs' success was itself statistically unlikely so should doubly know better 4 profs do this bc tech CEOs did?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Feb 15
        Replying to @TheAnnaGat @catherineols @ESYudkowsky

        My view, FWIW, is that worrying about existential threat of out-of-control AI is a distraction right now, since before that becomes an issue, we'll need to deal with the human problems (inequality etc). Failure to do so means our society won't be around anyway!

        3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      8. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Feb 15
        Replying to @jeremyphoward @TheAnnaGat and

        But my particular view doesn't matter really - what matter is the lack of actual informed, thoughtful, respectful debate. As @ESYudkowsky said, even smart folks who should know better resort to straw-man arguments and do little real research before commenting on this

        2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      9. Jeremy Howard‏ @jeremyphoward Feb 15
        Replying to @jeremyphoward @TheAnnaGat and

        For instance, I'm a big fan of both @sapinker and @fchollet but was really surprised by the (IMHO) limited depth of analysis from each of them on this particular issue

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      2. James Turner‏ @JamesTurner_42 Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I think it’s because he has established an identity for himself as an optimist, which is valuable in a variety of areas...but definitely not in the realm of the control problem.

        1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Jacy Reese‏Verified account @jacyreese Feb 15
        Replying to @JamesTurner_42 @ESYudkowsky

        This is also my current best guess for the biggest factor. I think Pinker just had an optimism paint brushed, and painted the value alignment problem with it before taking a hard enough look at the best arguments.

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      2. Jacy Reese‏Verified account @jacyreese Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I'd be really interested in a concise, line-by-line response from you to his excerpt. There seems to be a lot of sweeping dismissal on both sides.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Jacy Reese‏Verified account @jacyreese Feb 15
        Replying to @jacyreese @ESYudkowsky

        (Not saying sweeping dismissal isn't warranted. I just think it's time for a more detailed back-and-forth.)

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. cCR0WN‏ @cCR0WN Feb 15
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I was wondering what you think of the arguments outlined in this article written by the ai researcher francois chollet?https://medium.com/@francois.chollet/the-impossibility-of-intelligence-explosion-5be4a9eda6ec …

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Rogs‏ @ESRogs Feb 15
        Replying to @cCR0WN @ESYudkowsky

        EY wrote a reply here:https://intelligence.org/2017/12/06/chollet/ …

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. cCR0WN‏ @cCR0WN Feb 15
        Replying to @ESRogs @ESYudkowsky

        Oh fantastic. Thanks for the response. Reading it now!

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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