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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Jan 25

    P/S/A: The age of candid-video evidence is nearly over. Maybe computational forensics will be able to spot edits for a little while longer, but the next murderous-cop video may be accused of being fake, or be actually fake for that matter.https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bjye8a/reddit-fake-porn-app-daisy-ridley …

    10:21 PM - 25 Jan 2018
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      2. Mothman Vince‏ @vblasv Jan 25
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        There's still pretty solid techniques for spotting photoshop fakes. Is this not likely to be the case for videos for a long time as well? Or does the machine learning element obviate that

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Andre Infante‏ @AndreTI Jan 25
        Replying to @vblasv @ESYudkowsky

        Generative Adversarial methods make this difficult, because they already use "systems for spotting fakes" as part of the teaching process to make better fakes. As such, if there's an innovation in fake-spotting technology, it can be directly applied to improving fake quality.

        2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
      4. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky Jan 25
        Replying to @AndreTI @vblasv

        Yep. But maybe human forensics pros will be able to do some things that the automated tools can't, for a little while longer.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Andre Infante‏ @AndreTI Jan 25
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @vblasv

        Oh for sure. Most people can learn to spot GAN artifacts pretty quickly (traditional convnets seem to have trouble grokking geometry, which might be a max pooling artifact). Long term, though, the advantage lies with the generators.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Mason Hartman  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jan 25
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Additional concern: the disintegration of trust in traditional media is now a central tribal signaling thing, so all of on the left are (to some extent) prepared to boil like frogs.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Mason Hartman  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jan 26
        Replying to @webdevMason @ESYudkowsky

        To clarify, I'm mostly concerned about *unintentional* dissemination of fakes. I'm pretty certain the media will be overconfident wrt its ability to identify them, even w/o using all available tools. A lionized press that's not well calibrated for this is going to be a disaster.

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      2. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Jan 26
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        It's surprising to me how well timed the public adoption of verifiable blockchains useable for evidential integrity is.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Jan 26
        Replying to @davidmanheim @ESYudkowsky

        (And yes, this is only useful for certain classes of proof, like "verifiable camera X signed that this happened at time Y with its private key.")

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. oɯolɥs‏ @shlomoklahr Jan 26
        Replying to @davidmanheim @ESYudkowsky

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        10/ What I find more appealing is the idea of using a hashing scheme to validate video footage as authentic and un-tampered.
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      5. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Jan 26
        Replying to @shlomoklahr @ESYudkowsky

        OK, so do you have ideas for who to ask for funding for our startup to develop this system and license it to high-end video-camera makers?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. oɯolɥs‏ @shlomoklahr Jan 26
        Replying to @davidmanheim @ESYudkowsky

        I’ll DM you!

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      2. Patrik Hirvinen‏ @hirvinen Jan 26
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        The solution is that camera vendors start including chips that digitally sign the output images / video frames, and display applications need to verify those signatures, showing a big warning label for unsigned images.

        3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Patrik Hirvinen‏ @hirvinen Jan 26
        Replying to @hirvinen @ESYudkowsky

        There have been some attempts at signing cameras but they had security holes. So that needs to be done better, and the camera certificates used for signing must be signed by a CA that can sign a public revocation if such holes are found.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Kuhchuk‏ @kuhchuk Jan 25
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @BeigeShiba

        The credibility of audio is also nearing it's end.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Beige Shiba ♔‏ @BeigeShiba Jan 25
        Replying to @kuhchuk @ESYudkowsky

        Yup, I'm given to understand that Adobe is working on something like that. On the plus side, maybe I can eventually buy a synthesised voice pack that's based on James Earl Jones or Christopher Hitchens.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Kuhchuk‏ @kuhchuk Jan 25
        Replying to @BeigeShiba @ESYudkowsky

        Bunch of companies are working on it. The Hitch voice pack sounds amazing, btw.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Beige Shiba ♔‏ @BeigeShiba Jan 25
        Replying to @kuhchuk @ESYudkowsky

        Wait, is there a demo of the Hitch voice pack out there? I'd love to hear it, if you know where it is.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Kuhchuk‏ @kuhchuk Jan 25
        Replying to @BeigeShiba @ESYudkowsky

        Hahaha, no, I meant the idea for it sounds awesome. I wish it was out there...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Beige Shiba ♔‏ @BeigeShiba Jan 25
        Replying to @kuhchuk @ESYudkowsky

        I'd say it grows more likely with each year.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Kuhchuk‏ @kuhchuk Jan 25
        Replying to @BeigeShiba @ESYudkowsky

        Only a matter of time. Can you imagine a program that would read ebooks to you in anyone's voice?

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