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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 30 Dec 2017

    Jesus farking Christ they're not taking on $100,000 of student debt so they can read "great literature" and learn "critical thinking skills", they're doing it because society made a degree mandatory to get a tolerable job! How uncritical do you have to be to even think that?

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      2. James @Undecided State1‏ @undecidedstate1 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Maybe it’s time for companies to start valuing work ethic and attitude over degrees

        2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @undecidedstate1 @ESYudkowsky

        Observing whether the potential employee successfully navigated the process of getting a degree is a very cost-effective (to employers) test of both of those as well. It is of course very expensive to the student, both in money and time, but employers don’t bear that cost.

        2 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
      4. James @Undecided State1‏ @undecidedstate1 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @scottleibrand @ESYudkowsky

        Good point Scott

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. UnicornGonads‏ @UnicornGonad 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @William_Blake

        Trade jobs are absolutely tolerable & pay more than half of the $100k degrees.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Eric Zhang‏ @realericzhang 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @UnicornGonad @ESYudkowsky @William_Blake

        Trade jobs are low-status and offer few exit options.

        3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. UnicornGonads‏ @UnicornGonad 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @realericzhang @ESYudkowsky @William_Blake

        A welder makes $20 to $50 an hour. A good CNC machinist the same. A single person can retire by 40 if they've acquired real estate and move to Thailand.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      5. Jonas‏ @jpkcato 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @UnicornGonad @realericzhang and

        That takes care of the exit issue, but low status remains an obstacle.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Jennifer Lorenzetti‏ @jclorenzetti 31 Dec 2017
        Replying to @jpkcato @UnicornGonad and

        Trades jobs shouldn’t be low status. It takes as much precision to run a CNC machine as many other post-college jobs. Problem is career path/promotion pot3ntial, which is why those with liberal arts degrees tend to make more by mid career and lifetime.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. jpra‏ @_jpra_ Dec 31
        Replying to @jclorenzetti @jpkcato and

        Low status? Compared to whom?

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Seph‏ @josephgentle 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Well, IQ tests are banned, so employers need a proxy test. This one costs $100k and 3-4 years to take, but in doing so it tests socioeconomic status too. Its a great bargain for employers.

        4 replies 3 retweets 23 likes
      3. Nathan Spears‏ @spearofsolomon 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @josephgentle @ESYudkowsky

        IQ tests don't measure conscientiousness.

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      4. Seph‏ @josephgentle 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @spearofsolomon @ESYudkowsky

        Good point. You could assess that for a lot less than 100k, but there are coordination problems in starting something like that.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. mavant‏ @mavant 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @josephgentle @spearofsolomon @ESYudkowsky

        Aren't internship programs basically conscientiousness interviews?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Nathan Spears‏ @spearofsolomon 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @mavant @josephgentle @ESYudkowsky

        And compatibility measures.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      1. nothingmuch‏ @mHaGqnOACyFm0h5 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        will that be on the exam?

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      2. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        I'll depart from a long habit of disagreeing with you to say you're right on this. I think academics like @Noahpinion liked college too much to imagine being forced into it. Of course, I imagine many libertarians have coloured views on education for the opposite reason...

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Janfreterson @ESYudkowsky @Noahpinion

        That said, I do genuinely think that it's better for the government to encourage education through a crappy system than not to encourage education at all. Democracy cannot work without an informed populace, and it's worth subsidizing even if 90% of the money is wasted.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Chad Gonczy‏ @ChadGonczyHPB 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Janfreterson @ESYudkowsky @Noahpinion

        When is the last time we had an informed populace? Do you think spending on education is positively or negatively correlated with "informed populace?"

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ChadGonczyHPB @ESYudkowsky @Noahpinion

        "Informed" is not a binary metric, and yes, education on average has gone up with investment. You're probably thinking of societal changes such as contempt for elites and 'everyone is entitled to their opinion', but that's an unrelated problem.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Chad Gonczy‏ @ChadGonczyHPB 30 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Janfreterson @ESYudkowsky @Noahpinion

        If it isn't binary then what did you mean when you said "democracy cannot work without an informed populace?" I'm using your framework not mine. And "education is going up" is not the same as people being more informed about their political decisions. This has been studied.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Georgie  🤔 Boi‏ @MemeLordGeorge 31 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ChadGonczyHPB @Janfreterson and

        There was a time in history where most of the information came from the news and the news had a vested interest in checking the power of government. In that same time we were still making laws that were for the laymen to read. That time is the time of the informed populace.

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