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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 27 Dec 2017

    Me, a moron: Rigorously separate the work of remediating social structures from their *neutral* study Them, a genius: Ah, but "criticism" as in art criticism can include a glowing review, and glowing reviews are totally what people who "critique power structures" have in mind

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      2. MugaSofer‏ @MugaSofer 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        A lot of them do have power structures that they're in favour of, and so presumably would give glowing reviews to...

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      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 28 Dec 2017
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        Oh, but honey, those aren't "power structures" because they're not oppressing good people. A "power structure" is guilty by definition and those on top always bad, and the privileged can't be oppressed; so what good unprivileged people are on top of can't be a power structure.

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      1. Aaron Docherty‏ @dochertyaaron 27 Dec 2017
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        E: Starting from a position of criticism is less favorable to the scientific process than not starting from one. Responders: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS MEAN

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      1.  🤖‏ @ramriot 27 Dec 2017
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        The rest of us: (proffering uncritical critiques of critters criticisms) Dear, whatever makes you happy & passes peer review is ok with us.

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      1. Daniel Houck‏ @daniel_houck 27 Dec 2017
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        I did have to glance back when reading your tweet because I think of "critique" as neutral (even though I don't think of "criticize" as neutral), but it was *totally clear* what you had in mind and the point is valid.

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      1. Charlene Chambliss‏ @blissfulchar 27 Dec 2017
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        I think that many mistook the tweet as saying “criticism has no value.” Criticism can and does help us direct our attention toward a phenomenon, so we can devise a way to study it empirically, but that doesn’t make the criticism itself scientific.

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      1. (((Joshua Ishal)))‏ @DentalJosh 27 Dec 2017
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        Glad you finally figured out that moron bit.

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      1. joshrivers‏ @joshrivers 27 Dec 2017
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        I’d be in support of the neutral science. I’m also concerned that social structures are hard to define neutrally while participating in them. Isn’t ‘critique’ a weak claim of neutrality?

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