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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 26 Dec 2017

      Want to critique power structures? You aren't doing science. You can't even be seeking truth. No agenda with "criticize" in it can be truthseeking; only curious and neutral inquiry into whatever might be happening. "Criticize" puts some results more on the agenda than others.

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    2. Jubilee‏ @2centjubilee 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ESYudkowsky

      This doesn't mean it is never worthwhile, however. Should be done reluctantly, perhaps.

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      Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @2centjubilee

      Lots of things are neither science nor truthseeking that must sometimes be done. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't doing science - but he didn't claim to be, or set up shop in a university as an arbiter of complicated facts.

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        2. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @_thls_ @2centjubilee

          Only those that believe in the myth of the fact/value dichotomy would agree with this.

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        3. ∃𝑋[∅∈𝑋∧∀𝑦(𝑦∈𝑋⇒𝑦∪{𝑦}∈𝑋)]‏ @_thls_ 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RyanDavidReece @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

          not a myth tho

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        4. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @_thls_ @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

          I don't believe in two kinds of truth.

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        5. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RyanDavidReece @_thls_ and

          #Putnam #factvalue #isought #ethicspic.twitter.com/O2UkicYyir

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        6. Dan Boches‏ @DanBoches 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @RyanDavidReece @_thls_ and

          Interesting. What book is this? But, wouldn't it just be easier to demonstrate "the myth of the fact/value dichotomy" by logically deriving a value statement from a factual statement? Can you do that real quick? I'd love to see it!

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        7. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @DanBoches @RyanDavidReece and

          This argument has always seemed dishonest to me. "It's impossible to go to Mars. If I'm wrong, just prove it by flying to Mars." All accurate statements about the world are statements of fact. Therefore accurate value statements are factual statements. There is no dichotomy.

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        8. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Janfreterson @DanBoches and

          You are confused with there not being such a thing as universally compelling moral arguments. That's correct. But a fact/value dichotomy is no more meaningful than than a fruit/apple dichotomy. A factual moral statement is one that follows logically from real-world values.

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        9. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Janfreterson @DanBoches and

          The is-ought fallacy is also incorrect, because again, ALL accurate moral statements follow purely from statements of fact. The confusion comes from thinking that statements about human values are somehow not scientific or "objective". It's magical thinking, basically.

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        2. Adam‏ @diachronist 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

          The thought that MLK Jr. "must" champion the <civil rights movement> appeals to a normative standard, though, and is of course arguable. Untenable if you look through the current Overton window, but arguable.

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        3. Adam‏ @diachronist 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @diachronist @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

          You can "critique power structures" while "doing science". Maybe you meant 'criticize'? Denotatively, critique = detailed assessment of x, criticism = expression of disapproval. Although your larger point is well-taken: agendas of criticism are contaminated by motivated cognition

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