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Ours is the era of inadequate AI alignment theory. Any other facts about this era are relatively unimportant, but sometimes I tweet about them anyway.

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    Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 26 Dec 2017

    Want to critique power structures? You aren't doing science. You can't even be seeking truth. No agenda with "criticize" in it can be truthseeking; only curious and neutral inquiry into whatever might be happening. "Criticize" puts some results more on the agenda than others.

    5:27 PM - 26 Dec 2017
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      2. Jubilee‏ @2centjubilee 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        This doesn't mean it is never worthwhile, however. Should be done reluctantly, perhaps.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @2centjubilee

        Lots of things are neither science nor truthseeking that must sometimes be done. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't doing science - but he didn't claim to be, or set up shop in a university as an arbiter of complicated facts.

        2 replies 3 retweets 33 likes
      4. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @_thls_ @2centjubilee

        Only those that believe in the myth of the fact/value dichotomy would agree with this.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. ∃𝑋[∅∈𝑋∧∀𝑦(𝑦∈𝑋⇒𝑦∪{𝑦}∈𝑋)]‏ @_thls_ 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @RyanDavidReece @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

        not a myth tho

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @_thls_ @ESYudkowsky @2centjubilee

        I don't believe in two kinds of truth.

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      7. Ryan Reece‏ @RyanDavidReece 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @RyanDavidReece @_thls_ and

        #Putnam #factvalue #isought #ethicspic.twitter.com/O2UkicYyir

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      8. Dan Boches‏ @DanBoches 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @RyanDavidReece @_thls_ and

        Interesting. What book is this? But, wouldn't it just be easier to demonstrate "the myth of the fact/value dichotomy" by logically deriving a value statement from a factual statement? Can you do that real quick? I'd love to see it!

        4 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      9. Sophronius‏ @Janfreterson 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @DanBoches @RyanDavidReece and

        This argument has always seemed dishonest to me. "It's impossible to go to Mars. If I'm wrong, just prove it by flying to Mars." All accurate statements about the world are statements of fact. Therefore accurate value statements are factual statements. There is no dichotomy.

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      2. Manny Moss‏ @MannyMoss 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Oh snap! Take that, Galileo, for thinking that your critique of geocentrism and papal power were intimately linked. What a schmuck. -_-

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MannyMoss

        My friend is a Catholic. Can she still believe in geocentrism?

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      4. defoggr‏ @defoggr 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky @MannyMoss

        My knowledge of Galileo's motives is quite limited, but I'm not aware of any "I'm going to search for evidence that will support my anti-Catholic advocacy" goals. He just described what he found, which threatened Church because of THEIR advocacy goals.

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      5. Manny Moss‏ @MannyMoss 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @defoggr @ESYudkowsky

        But then what happened? His "description" of his "findings" would have been forgotten if the existing power structures had remained unchallenged by evidence gathered by his scientific method.

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      6. defoggr‏ @defoggr 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MannyMoss @ESYudkowsky

        It's irrelevant whether we remember his story or not. Others were going to find the same thing, repeatedly and repeatably. Real science is like that. Who found it first and what the Church's reaction was is an interesting chapter in history but irrelevant to the actual science.

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      7. defoggr‏ @defoggr 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @defoggr @MannyMoss @ESYudkowsky

        Eliezar clearly understands that real science, unlike politics and other religions (theistic or non-theistic) that try to pose as science to appear more credible, is about looking for what patterns actually exist, not looking for support for a pre-determined cause.

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      8. Manny Moss‏ @MannyMoss 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @defoggr @ESYudkowsky

        So would you then include social sciences in this definition? Because that seems to be what the OP is militating against.

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      2. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Ugh. This is the worst take.

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Francisco Boni‏ @boni_bo 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @matthew_d_green @ESYudkowsky

        Any good criticism besides knee jerk reaction?

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Kilian Evang‏ @texttheater 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        Wrong. All science starts with a hypothesis, whose choice puts some results more on the agenda than others. There is no such thing as "neutral" inquiry. Also, critique ≠ criticize.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Aaron Docherty‏ @dochertyaaron 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @texttheater @ESYudkowsky

        The purpose of forming a hypothesis is not (necessarily) related to having an agenda. It is merely the thing being tested. Neutral inquiry is when one does not reject results just because they disagree with preconceptions or desires about what is true.

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      1. Count Schillula‏ @_mike_schilling 26 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ESYudkowsky

        So you don't know what the word "critque" means. Kant: "Reason sucks!"

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